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Posted 2013-September-21, 10:40

This is from the Bermuda Bowl match between England and Japan. I've included the auction even though I don't know what it means.


How would you play on 7 lead?
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2013-September-21, 11:26

View Postgnasher, on 2013-September-21, 10:40, said:


This is from the Bermuda Bowl match between England and Japan. I've included the auction even though I don't know what it means. How would you play on 7 lead?
Puzzled: Guessing: A, run K unless covered. Hope to ruff 1 X and 3 X in dummy, returning to hand with K and ruffs.
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Posted 2013-September-21, 15:58

View Postnige1, on 2013-September-21, 11:26, said:

Puzzled: Guessing: A, run K unless covered. Hope to ruff 1 X and 3 X in dummy, returning to hand with K and ruffs.


Shouldn't you cover the 7 with the 8 and then ruff a spade first in case somebody has KQJ tight in which case you only need to ruff 2 spades to establish the suit and you're in fine shape if trumps are 2-1.
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Posted 2013-September-21, 16:30

this might take a while sigh

trick 1 win trump in hand and assuming they break 21
trick 2 ruff a club
trick 3 spade Ace
trick 4 ruff a spade
trick 5 ruff a club
trick 6 ruff a spade assuming spades break 43*
trick 7 ruff a club
trick 8 dia to hand
trick 9 ruff a club
trick 10 ruff a spade
trick 11 pull last trump
trick 12 dia to dummy
trick 13 cash good spade

*trick 6 ruff a spade if spades do not break 43 we need lho to hold long spades
trick 7 club k to take ruffing finesse assume its covered to make life easier (ruff)
trick 8 cash dia in dummy
trick 9 dia to hand
trick 10 club Q pitch dia
trick 11 ruff dia
trick 12/13 2 top trumps


If trumps break 30 trick 1 tell partner to quit wishing you GLP win in hand
trick 2 club K (lets assume its covered just to make things easier) ruff
trick 3 dia to hand
trick 4 club Q pitch dia loser
trick 5 win dia in dummy
trick 6 spade A
trick 7 ruff spade
trick 8 ruff dia in dummy
trick 9 ruff spade
cross ruff

need lho to hold at least 3 spades and 2 clubs and 2 dia or 4spades 2clubs and 2 dia
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Posted 2013-September-21, 20:51

View PostCyberyeti, on 2013-September-21, 15:58, said:

Shouldn't you cover the 7 with the 8 and then ruff a spade first in case somebody has KQJ tight in which case you only need to ruff 2 spades to establish the suit and you're in fine shape if trumps are 2-1.
That seems better.
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Posted 2013-September-22, 02:53

I am wondering if dummy showed club void.
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Posted 2013-September-22, 03:19

View Postgszes, on 2013-September-21, 16:30, said:

trick 1 win trump in hand and assuming they break 21
trick 2 ruff a club
trick 3 spade Ace
trick 4 ruff a spade
trick 5 ruff a club
trick 6 ruff a spade

This is the best line I could think of, but it has a flaw.

We'd like to make whenever spades are 4-3 or A is onside. We won the first trick with 10, and 9 is still out. At trick 6, our hearts are AK4. If we want all of our chances against spades 4-3, we have to ruff low, but if spades are 2=5 that risks an overruff.

Is there anything better than this?
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Posted 2013-September-22, 03:28

View PostFluffy, on 2013-September-22, 02:53, said:

I am wondering if dummy showed club void.

I believe that 5NT said something about the void, but I don't know the details, and I don't know what 3 and 3 meant.

Anyway, I think you can assume that everyone knew dummy was void in clubs.
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Posted 2013-September-22, 03:38

win J, we might need AK10 for ruffing the spades high if they are 5-2.

A and spade ruff is auto, next is A and spade ruff. If spades and clubs break I think we can try to ruff 2 clubs before comiting to the finesse.
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Posted 2013-September-22, 16:39

Fluffy, Nigel and Cyberyeti, aren't you all basically playing for A onside, with some unlikely extra chances?

If so, I think the line described by gzes is trivially better. Spades 4-3 is 62%, and you also get a chance to change tack if spades are 5-2, provided that you don't get overruffed on the third spade. Or have I missed something?

I posted this because I was very surprised by Forrester's line, if the Vugraph record was accurate. He won the trump with the 8, played ace and ruffed a spade, and then ran K..
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Posted 2013-September-22, 17:28

View Postgnasher, on 2013-September-22, 16:39, said:

Fluffy, Nigel and Cyberyeti, aren't you all basically playing for A onside, with some unlikely extra chances?
If so, I think the line described by gzes is trivially better. Spades 4-3 is 62%, and you also get a chance to change tack if spades are 5-2, provided that you don't get overruffed on the third spade. Or have I missed something? I posted this because I was very surprised by Forrester's line, if the Vugraph record was accurate. He won the trump with the 8, played ace and ruffed a spade, and then ran K..
Forrester and I should be ashamed of ouselves :( Well spotted Gnasher! Thank you. And well solved Gszes! I skimmed Gszes' solution, mistakenly concluding that it would arrive at only 12 tricks :)
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Posted 2013-September-22, 17:46

View Postgnasher, on 2013-September-22, 16:39, said:

Fluffy, Nigel and Cyberyeti, aren't you all basically playing for A onside, with some unlikely extra chances?

If so, I think the line described by gzes is trivially better. Spades 4-3 is 62%, and you also get a chance to change tack if spades are 5-2, provided that you don't get overruffed on the third spade. Or have I missed something?

I posted this because I was very surprised by Forrester's line, if the Vugraph record was accurate. He won the trump with the 8, played ace and ruffed a spade, and then ran K..


I wasn't really suggesting a line, I was just saying that if you were playing Nigel's line, this looked like a small improvement.
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Posted 2013-September-22, 19:23

This is quite the hand, and bid well. The suit is just beautiful! :D
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Posted 2013-September-23, 09:14

Reading the bulletin Bocchi also played the club finesse too early.
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