BBO Discussion Forums: Bid like Zia#2 - BBO Discussion Forums

Jump to content

  • 2 Pages +
  • 1
  • 2
  • You cannot start a new topic
  • You cannot reply to this topic

Bid like Zia#2

#1 User is offline   sathyab 

  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Full Members
  • Posts: 575
  • Joined: 2006-November-07

Posted 2008-September-19, 14:17

Scoring: BAM


Dealer opens 1 on your right and you have that hand as North. Your call and please follow the instructions in the title of the post.
Seeking input from anyone who doesn't frequently "wtp", "Lol" or post to merely "Agree with ..."
0

#2 User is offline   cherdano 

  • 5555
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 9,520
  • Joined: 2003-September-04
  • Gender:Male

Posted 2008-September-19, 15:04

I bet Zia bids 2. I bid 2.
Me and Zia are still different, I guess.
The easiest way to count losers is to line up the people who talk about loser count, and count them. -Kieran Dyke
0

#3 User is offline   pclayton 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 9,151
  • Joined: 2003-June-11
  • Location:Southern California

Posted 2008-September-19, 15:16

2 for me. I don't see the point of hiding my hearts, or my other suit here. I doubt my pard is going to be on lead. My 2nd choice is a pass.
"Phil" on BBO
0

#4 User is offline   han 

  • Under bidder
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 11,797
  • Joined: 2004-July-25
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Amsterdam, the Netherlands

Posted 2008-September-19, 15:30

2S for me as well.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

- hrothgar
0

#5 User is offline   MarkDean 

  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Full Members
  • Posts: 595
  • Joined: 2008-April-30
  • Location:Pleasanton, CA, US

Posted 2008-September-19, 15:49

Is everybody really bidding 2S red on white with this? Do we really want to try to outbid the boss suit at these colors?

I would pass.

I will guess Zia bid 3C.
0

#6 User is offline   Mosene 

  • PipPipPipPip
  • Group: Full Members
  • Posts: 123
  • Joined: 2006-July-13

Posted 2008-September-19, 15:56

Pass
0

#7 User is offline   MFA 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 1,625
  • Joined: 2006-October-04
  • Location:Denmark

Posted 2008-September-19, 16:06

2? Uuhh, I really, really hate a Michaels' cue on this rubbish. I think I'm an ace short for that bid, atleast actually, and I'm confident that Zia did not choose that.

If I'm acting (which is tempting for the zia in me :)), I'll try a take-out double. Hardly a classic hand, but we will rarely be complete off base, while we're staying aggressive.
Michael Askgaard
0

#8 User is offline   kfay 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 2,208
  • Joined: 2007-July-01
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Michigan
  • Interests:Science, Sports

Posted 2008-September-19, 16:08

Vulnerability is for children.

2
Kevin Fay
0

#9 User is offline   sathyab 

  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Full Members
  • Posts: 575
  • Joined: 2006-November-07

Posted 2008-September-19, 16:51

MFA, on Sep 19 2008, 05:06 PM, said:

2? Uuhh, I really, really hate a Michaels' cue on this rubbish. I think I'm an ace short for that bid, atleast actually, and I'm confident that Zia did not choose that.

If I'm acting (which is tempting for the zia in me :)), I'll try a take-out double. Hardly a classic hand, but we will rarely be complete off base, while we're staying aggressive.

I'd bet more on your bidding judgement than your judgement of Zia's bidding judgement :)
Zia did indeed bid 2.

The full hand turned out to be:

Scoring: BAM


Thanks to the favorable location of the J, 3 is down only 1, for -100 and his teammates were +110 in 2 when it went 1-p-1nt-p-2.

If East had the J, chances are it'd have been doubled. I'm assuming that East must have thought that North must have a decent hand given the unfavorable vulnerability and that a double might be too close, especially partner's hand isn't as suitable for defense as it turned out to be. Would anyone double 3 ?
Seeking input from anyone who doesn't frequently "wtp", "Lol" or post to merely "Agree with ..."
0

#10 User is offline   pclayton 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 9,151
  • Joined: 2003-June-11
  • Location:Southern California

Posted 2008-September-19, 17:24

I remember this board. Welland had the South hand and he got a double on his right and I think he should have passed.

The play is quite interesting in 3. The spots were A-7-5-3 in the East hand and South had the 4-2. Dummy was QT986.

It's also less clear to me how -1 is a lock. The play was the K lead won, 2 spades ditching diamonds, and a club up. West grabs the A and persists with a 3rd spade. Welland chose to ruff with a middle heart and play two more clubs.
"Phil" on BBO
0

#11 User is offline   sathyab 

  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Full Members
  • Posts: 575
  • Joined: 2006-November-07

Posted 2008-September-19, 17:57

sathyab, on Sep 19 2008, 05:51 PM, said:

MFA, on Sep 19 2008, 05:06 PM, said:

2? Uuhh, I really, really hate a Michaels' cue on this rubbish. I think I'm an ace short for that bid, atleast actually, and I'm confident that Zia did not choose that.

If I'm acting (which is tempting for the zia in me :)), I'll try a take-out double. Hardly a classic hand, but we will rarely be complete off base, while we're staying aggressive.

I'd bet more on your bidding judgement than your judgement of Zia's bidding judgement :)
Zia did indeed bid 2.

The full hand turned out to be:

Scoring: BAM


Thanks to the favorable location of the J, 3 is down only 1, for -100 and his teammates were +110 in 2 when it went 1-p-1nt-p-2.

If East had the J, chances are it'd have been doubled. I'm assuming that East must have thought that North must have a decent hand given the unfavorable vulnerability and that a double might be too close, especially partner's hand isn't as suitable for defense as it turned out to be. Would anyone double 3 ?

I misremembered the EW hands; West had the Axx of clubs and East had Txxx. The openings were so aggressive that opening that ten count wasn't unthinkable. But then East might have doubled 2. I checked for play records of 3, but couldn't find it. All they have is the play record for 2 at the other table.
Seeking input from anyone who doesn't frequently "wtp", "Lol" or post to merely "Agree with ..."
0

#12 User is offline   MFA 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 1,625
  • Joined: 2006-October-04
  • Location:Denmark

Posted 2008-September-20, 14:57

sathyab, on Sep 19 2008, 05:51 PM, said:

MFA, on Sep 19 2008, 05:06 PM, said:

2? Uuhh, I really, really hate a Michaels' cue on this rubbish. I think I'm an ace short for that bid, atleast actually, and I'm confident that Zia did not choose that.

If I'm acting (which is tempting for the zia in me B)), I'll try a take-out double. Hardly a classic hand, but we will rarely be complete off base, while we're staying aggressive.

I'd bet more on your bidding judgement than your judgement of Zia's bidding judgement :)
Zia did indeed bid 2.

Lol, of course :).

I still think that 2 is horrible.
Michael Askgaard
0

#13 User is offline   cherdano 

  • 5555
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 9,520
  • Joined: 2003-September-04
  • Gender:Male

Posted 2008-September-20, 15:13

THIS BOARD PROVES...what?

So, partner turned up with 5251, with 2/3s of his points in spades and none in our suits. And bidding 2 won the board, but actually should have lost the board if opponents had doubled. Ok.
The easiest way to count losers is to line up the people who talk about loser count, and count them. -Kieran Dyke
0

#14 User is offline   the hog 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 10,728
  • Joined: 2003-March-07
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Laos
  • Interests:Wagner and Bridge

Posted 2008-September-20, 18:59

I'd bid 2S. Quite frankly I'd rather not bid like Zia. Play? Yes, certainly.
"The King of Hearts a broadsword bears, the Queen of Hearts a rose." W. H. Auden.
0

#15 User is offline   655321 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 2,502
  • Joined: 2007-December-22

Posted 2008-September-21, 19:04

The_Hog, on Sep 20 2008, 07:59 PM, said:

Quite frankly I'd rather not bid like Zia.

OK, I'll bite.

Is this just a style thing, or are you claiming to bid as well as Zia?

:P
That's impossible. No one can give more than one hundred percent. By definition that is the most anyone can give.
0

#16 User is offline   gwnn 

  • Csaba the Hutt
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 13,027
  • Joined: 2006-June-16
  • Gender:Male
  • Interests:bye

Posted 2008-September-22, 01:10

The other bid like Zia thread was way cooler than this one.
... and I can prove it with my usual, flawless logic.
      George Carlin
0

#17 User is offline   the hog 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 10,728
  • Joined: 2003-March-07
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Laos
  • Interests:Wagner and Bridge

Posted 2008-September-22, 02:02

655321, on Sep 22 2008, 08:04 AM, said:

The_Hog, on Sep 20 2008, 07:59 PM, said:

Quite frankly I'd rather not bid like Zia.

OK, I'll bite.

Is this just a style thing, or are you claiming to bid as well as Zia?

:)

Personally I don't think Zia's bidding is his strength. His card play certainly is far better than his bidding.

Also I think there is a "Cult of Zia" promoted by himself and also by Bridge journalists who see a lacklustre set of personalities to promote. This no doubt helps his results against mere mortals.
"The King of Hearts a broadsword bears, the Queen of Hearts a rose." W. H. Auden.
0

#18 User is offline   rogerclee 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 3,214
  • Joined: 2007-December-16
  • Location:Pasadena, CA

Posted 2008-September-22, 02:23

The_Hog, on Sep 22 2008, 01:02 AM, said:

655321, on Sep 22 2008, 08:04 AM, said:

The_Hog, on Sep 20 2008, 07:59 PM, said:

Quite frankly I'd rather not bid like Zia.

OK, I'll bite.

Is this just a style thing, or are you claiming to bid as well as Zia?

:)

Personally I don't think Zia's bidding is his strength. His card play certainly is far better than his bidding.

Also I think there is a "Cult of Zia" promoted by himself and also by Bridge journalists who see a lacklustre set of personalities to promote. This no doubt helps his results against mere mortals.

In other words, yes, I am better than Zia at bidding.
0

#19 User is offline   benlessard 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 3,465
  • Joined: 2006-January-07
  • Location:Montreal Canada
  • Interests:All games. i really mean all of them.

Posted 2008-September-23, 18:10

I personnally dont like 2S, but my feeling is that against a light RHO opening bid you can be more agressive since LHO wont gamble a double.
From Psych "I mean, Gus and I never see eye-to-eye on work stuff.
For instance, he doesn't like being used as a human shield when we're being shot at.
I happen to think it's a very noble way to meet one's maker, especially for a guy like him.
Bottom line is we never let that difference of opinion interfere with anything."
0

#20 User is offline   the hog 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 10,728
  • Joined: 2003-March-07
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Laos
  • Interests:Wagner and Bridge

Posted 2008-September-23, 23:37

rogerclee, on Sep 22 2008, 03:23 PM, said:

The_Hog, on Sep 22 2008, 01:02 AM, said:

655321, on Sep 22 2008, 08:04 AM, said:

The_Hog, on Sep 20 2008, 07:59 PM, said:

Quite frankly I'd rather not bid like Zia.

OK, I'll bite.

Is this just a style thing, or are you claiming to bid as well as Zia?

:)

Personally I don't think Zia's bidding is his strength. His card play certainly is far better than his bidding.

Also I think there is a "Cult of Zia" promoted by himself and also by Bridge journalists who see a lacklustre set of personalities to promote. This no doubt helps his results against mere mortals.

In other words, yes, I am better than Zia at bidding.

Hmmm. Interesting interpretation of my comment.
"The King of Hearts a broadsword bears, the Queen of Hearts a rose." W. H. Auden.
0

  • 2 Pages +
  • 1
  • 2
  • You cannot start a new topic
  • You cannot reply to this topic

1 User(s) are reading this topic
0 members, 1 guests, 0 anonymous users