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Sick Preempt

Poll: Sick Preempt (74 member(s) have cast votes)

Sick Preempt

  1. 2H (15 votes [20.27%])

    Percentage of vote: 20.27%

  2. P (51 votes [68.92%])

    Percentage of vote: 68.92%

  3. The opposite of whatever matmat said. (8 votes [10.81%])

    Percentage of vote: 10.81%

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#1 User is offline   rogerclee 

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Posted 2008-April-21, 04:23

Here is a debate between matmat and me over what constitutes a normal preempt.

White vs Red, IMPs, First Seat

♠Qx ♥987xxx ♦QTxx ♣x

What is your call?
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Posted 2008-April-21, 04:26

Pass. Wrong ODR for preempting.
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Posted 2008-April-21, 04:41

With some I open these 3♥ :)
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Posted 2008-April-21, 05:23

The suit is much to good (a great sequence) and the overall strength (TWO Queens AND a Ten) too big to consider this a preempt in first seat.

I cannot decide yet between 1 ♥ 2 ♣ and 6 NT.

Sorry but in first seat, even white/red this is no preempt for me.
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Posted 2008-April-21, 05:27

Pass
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Posted 2008-April-21, 05:39

Pass, wtp?

You could have made it more interesting, if you
would have added the 6 and 5 to the suit ...

An opening, even if you open with a preempt, contains always
a constructive message, you may decide under certain
circumstances, that you can ignore this constructive message,
but not in first seat, even if you are green vs. red.

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Posted 2008-April-21, 05:52

Playing normal methods I'd pass

If I had a two suited opening (say 2♥ = 5+ Hearts and a 4+ card minor) I'd give serious consideration to this
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Posted 2008-April-21, 05:56

Even thinking about opening this hand is an overbid (barring special agreements).
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Posted 2008-April-21, 05:58

Passssssssssssssssss
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Posted 2008-April-21, 06:50

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Posted 2008-April-21, 06:55

Free, on Apr 21 2008, 11:41 AM, said:

With some I open these 3♥ :)

Me too, in one partnership this is a maximum 3♥ opening under these conditions.
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Posted 2008-April-21, 08:36

It's a normal junior preempt; I've seen/done worse. Why do you even need to make a poll? You probably knew at the time that it was risky and aggressive, and you decided to do it anyway.
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Posted 2008-April-21, 09:22

I would preempt this at MPs, but not at IMPs.
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Posted 2008-April-21, 09:34

mikegill, on Apr 21 2008, 04:22 PM, said:

I would preempt this at MPs, but not at IMPs.

Why? I would argue the opposite: at IMPs, the favorable vulnerability means that there is more to gain by jamming opps' auction than to lose by jamming our own. This calls for less disciplined preempts. At MPs, a wrong decision in a constructive auction is equally expensive at all vulnerabilities.
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Posted 2008-April-21, 09:40

Pass, wanting to at least be slightly disciplined with a 2♥ preempt and noting that it often does little to shut good opps out of a ♠ game unless PD fits and can raise to 4 and the opps don't then bid 4♠
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Posted 2008-April-21, 09:46

Sometimes a hand comes up where you wish you were playing something else. In this case I'd like to be able to preempt without misleading partner, but that would not be the situation.

Agreeing to preempt with hands like this makes it difficult for partner to compete and lead accurately than when your preempt is more normal.
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Posted 2008-April-21, 09:57

Pass.

I love to preempt at green, but there's a lot of red flags here:

1. Your suit is great for Razz, but bad for bridge.

2. A heart lead from pard is death from AQ, Kx, Kxx or Qx.
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Posted 2008-April-21, 11:53

rogerclee, on Apr 21 2008, 05:23 AM, said:

Here is a debate between matmat and me over what constitutes a normal preempt.

White vs Red, IMPs, First Seat

♠Qx ♥987xxx ♦QTxx ♣x

What is your call?

I don't think it's a normal preempt but I would definitely preempt with it, 2♥. At this vul in particular, although to some extent at all vuls, I care more about playing strength than suit quality. In other words when I'm 6-4 in the range and w/r I will open 2♥ even on 765432. In fact if forced to choose I prefer 2♥ here than if the hand was xx AQxxxx xxx xx.
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Posted 2008-April-21, 12:03

Elianna, on Apr 21 2008, 07:36 AM, said:

You probably knew at the time that it was risky and aggressive, and you decided to do it anyway.

No, I thought it was normal B). Wow, 6-4 gets no love around here.

When is the last time one of you actually got nailed at these colors? Is it actually bad if partner bids 4♥? I think the lead concern is the only big one, but RHO is at least reasonably likely to declare.
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Posted 2008-April-21, 12:11

rogerclee, on Apr 21 2008, 10:03 AM, said:

Elianna, on Apr 21 2008, 07:36 AM, said:

You probably knew at the time that it was risky and aggressive, and you decided to do it anyway.

No, I thought it was normal B). Wow, 6-4 gets no love around here.

When is the last time one of you actually got nailed at these colors? Is it actually bad if partner bids 4♥? I think the lead concern is the only big one, but RHO is at least reasonably likely to declare.

We aren't barred from getting to 4♥ after we pass.

Getting nailed isn't my main concern here.
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