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Sick Preempt

Poll: Sick Preempt (74 member(s) have cast votes)

Sick Preempt

  1. 2H (15 votes [20.27%])

    Percentage of vote: 20.27%

  2. P (51 votes [68.92%])

    Percentage of vote: 68.92%

  3. The opposite of whatever matmat said. (8 votes [10.81%])

    Percentage of vote: 10.81%

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#21 User is offline   ArtK78 

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Posted 2008-April-21, 13:40

It is a matter of style. There are many players who would never dream of opening 2♥ or [shudder] 3♥ on these cards. There are others (count me among them) who consider this to be a routine 2♥ opening bid with at least one partner.

I would never consider opening 2♥ at "real" IMPs, but at IMP pairs I would do it.
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Posted 2008-April-21, 13:49

i voted for option 3. this makes me a conflicted individual?

since roger insists on putting me on the spot, i felt pass was a better action. (though to be fair, i may have been resulting, and if so, i apologize)
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Posted 2008-April-21, 14:55

I'm with matmat that opening 2H here is winning bridge. We got the shape, we got the strength, the colors are right, we preempt.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

- hrothgar
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Posted 2008-April-21, 15:45

han, on Apr 21 2008, 03:55 PM, said:

I'm with matmat that opening 2H here is winning bridge. We got the shape, we got the strength, the colors are right, we preempt.

uhm. pretty sure i felt that preempting was not so good...
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Posted 2008-April-21, 15:48

matmat, on Apr 21 2008, 04:45 PM, said:

han, on Apr 21 2008, 03:55 PM, said:

I'm with matmat that opening 2H here is winning bridge.  We got the shape, we got the strength, the colors are right, we preempt.

uhm. pretty sure i felt that preempting was not so good...

maybe he agreed with your not agreeing with you (option 3)
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Posted 2008-April-21, 15:53

While we are on the subject of extreme weak-2's, how do people feel about opening a weak 2 with a 5 card suit? What criteria would you have for this action?

Bill
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Posted 2008-April-21, 15:57

goobers, on Apr 21 2008, 04:48 PM, said:

maybe he agreed with your not agreeing with you (option 3)

stupid mathematicians and their logical clauses..
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Posted 2008-April-21, 16:01

bill1157, on Apr 21 2008, 04:53 PM, said:

While we are on the subject of extreme weak-2's, how do people feel about opening a weak 2 with a 5 card suit? What criteria would you have for this action?

Bill

I think they make sense.

But keep in mind, if the length gets shorther,
the suit quality should go up.

I would also say, that you should have shape
to compensate, i.e. a 54?? or better shape is
fine, while a weak two on 5332 shape should
be rare, ... well at least in certain positions
and vulnerability situations.

And of course partners raises should be LOTT
based, this way you will at least play a 8 card
suit fit, if he raises you.

With kind regards
Marlowe
With kind regards
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Posted 2008-April-21, 16:02

bill1157, on Apr 21 2008, 04:53 PM, said:

While we are on the subject of extreme weak-2's, how do people feel about opening a weak 2 with a 5 card suit? What criteria would you have for this action?

Bill

Personally, only when NV, must be headed by AQ for me, or a rag when in third seat opposite a passed hand.

BTW, i would pre-empt on the original hand vs. a weak field, otherwise pass.
Wayne Somerville
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Posted 2008-April-21, 16:05

matmat, on Apr 21 2008, 04:45 PM, said:

han, on Apr 21 2008, 03:55 PM, said:

I'm with matmat that opening 2H here is winning bridge.  We got the shape, we got the strength, the colors are right, we preempt.

uhm. pretty sure i felt that preempting was not so good...

Mat?????

I'm so disappointed! Did you see it was white against red? Did you see that you are 6-4? Were you trying to make a point but went a little overboard?
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

- hrothgar
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Posted 2008-April-21, 16:07

bill1157, on Apr 21 2008, 04:53 PM, said:

While we are on the subject of extreme weak-2's, how do people feel about opening a weak 2 with a 5 card suit? What criteria would you have for this action?

Bill

With cherdano I do it only when we are NV, the suit has good intermediates and the hand has shortness (so not 5332 or 5422).
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

- hrothgar
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Posted 2008-April-21, 16:15

han, on Apr 21 2008, 02:07 PM, said:

bill1157, on Apr 21 2008, 04:53 PM, said:

While we are on the subject of extreme weak-2's, how do people feel about opening a weak 2 with a 5 card suit?  What criteria would you have for this action?

Bill

With cherdano I do it only when we are NV, the suit has good intermediates and the hand has shortness (so not 5332 or 5422).

Same here. 5332's are bad for preempting.

I'll do it r/r if the suit is good enough.
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Posted 2008-April-21, 16:23

Well, I don't know if I could pass with KQJ109 even when red, but I really try to have 6.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

- hrothgar
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Posted 2008-April-21, 16:38

han, on Apr 21 2008, 05:05 PM, said:

Mat?????

I'm so disappointed! Did you see it was white against red? Did you see that you are 6-4? Were you trying to make a point but went a little overboard?

sort of.
Roger told me he was trying to preempt more solidly these days <_<
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Posted 2008-April-21, 16:58

We all "try" to have a good suit when preempting.
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Posted 2008-April-21, 17:21

Codo, on Apr 21 2008, 11:23 PM, said:

The suit is much to good (a great sequence) and the overall strength (TWO Queens AND a Ten) too big to consider this a preempt in first seat.

I cannot decide yet between 1 ♥ 2 ♣ and 6 NT.

Sorry but in first seat, even white/red this is no preempt for me.

Agree

Wish we were playing strong twos for when this hand comes along.
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Posted 2008-April-21, 18:39

bill1157, on Apr 21 2008, 03:53 PM, said:

While we are on the subject of extreme weak-2's, how do people feel about opening a weak 2 with a 5 card suit? What criteria would you have for this action?

Bill

I prefer a weak 2 on a suit like AQJTx to one like 9xxxxx as here to be honest.
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Posted 2008-April-21, 22:54

han, on Apr 21 2008, 05:23 PM, said:

Well, I don't know if I could pass with KQJ109 even when red, but I really try to have 6.

Is that another way of saying you pray to the skies not to hold 5, since when that's what you hold you bid it anyway?

I try really hard to hold 30 counts, but the efforts are so far inconclusive at best.
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Posted 2008-April-22, 03:45

I think it's wrong to think you'll get a bad score anytime you DON'T preempt.

In this hand, it's more likely you get that bad score if you DO preempt 8)
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Posted 2008-April-22, 04:25

bill1157, on Apr 21 2008, 10:53 PM, said:

While we are on the subject of extreme weak-2's, how do people feel about opening a weak 2 with a 5 card suit? What criteria would you have for this action?

Bill

extreme? What's extreme about a 5-card suit?

favourable vulnerability, third seat

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