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They Delayed Their Overcall

Poll: your call (24 member(s) have cast votes)

your call

  1. Dbl (12 votes [50.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 50.00%

  2. 2nt (5 votes [20.83%])

    Percentage of vote: 20.83%

  3. 3c (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  4. 3h (3 votes [12.50%])

    Percentage of vote: 12.50%

  5. 3nt (4 votes [16.67%])

    Percentage of vote: 16.67%

  6. other (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

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#1 User is offline   Apollo81 

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Posted 2008-January-29, 15:09

IMPs none vul

♠AQxx
♥Qxx
♦Axx
♣xxx

1♣-(p)-1♠-(p)
2♣-(2♥)-??
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Posted 2008-January-29, 15:30

Double is my choice. Extra values that don't promise a club honour, and do imply some hearts.
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Posted 2008-January-29, 15:35

I'll probably end up bidding 3NT but I'll double first. Maybe partner can pass (unlikely but with opponents that bid like this, who knows!) or maybe something interesting happens.
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Posted 2008-January-29, 17:03

tbh I'm not clear at all what doubles mean when they do this kind of stuff because...well they never do this. I guess on general meta rules it is a takeout/cards double, but if I wasn't confident partner would interpret this way (because "they are so retarded for bidding this way that I want to penalty X them) seems reasonable" then I would just bid 3N.
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Posted 2008-January-29, 17:06

Jlall, on Jan 30 2008, 12:03 AM, said:

tbh I'm not clear at all what doubles mean when they do this kind of stuff because...well they never do this. I guess on general meta rules it is a takeout/cards double, but if I wasn't confident partner would interpret this way (because "they are so retarded for bidding this way that I want to penalty X them) seems reasonable" then I would just bid 3N.

Under our meta rules double is penalties (opener has defined their hand).
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Posted 2008-January-29, 17:33

Jlall, on Jan 30 2008, 01:03 AM, said:

because "they are so retarded for bidding this way that I want to penalty X them

Reminds me of a note in the old Verhees/jansma system book: a redouble of a psychic double is business
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Posted 2008-January-29, 18:29

For the record, I think double says they made a mistake.
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Posted 2008-January-30, 04:08

I'm just going to bid 2NT... lol.
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Posted 2008-January-30, 05:52

At the table, I would surely bid 3NT, don't want to let my partner uncomfortable since I don't know myself what the meaning of the double is.
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Posted 2008-January-30, 06:02

The last time an opponent came into an auction like this, the tariff was 1100 when I was about to pass out partner's 2-level partial.
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Posted 2008-January-30, 06:07

FrancesHinden, on Jan 30 2008, 12:02 PM, said:

The last time an opponent came into an auction like this, the tariff was 1100 when I was about to pass out partner's 2-level partial.

That's funny. All the time my opps bid like this they find pard with AKxx of trumps. Guess that's why I bid 2NT.. lol.
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Posted 2008-January-30, 06:18

whereagles, on Jan 30 2008, 02:07 PM, said:

That's funny. All the time my opps bid like this they find pard with AKxx of trumps. Guess that's why I bid 2NT.. lol.

Last time my p did it I had 6-card support. No kidding.
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Posted 2008-January-30, 06:34

Am I the only one who has never bid this way? lol
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Posted 2008-January-30, 07:46

Jlall, on Jan 30 2008, 07:34 PM, said:

Am I the only one who has never bid this way? lol

No. You get some weirdos who futz around and scratch their ***** and think that 2C sounds weak and will be passed out so they better bid. I would X and hope pd took it for penalties.
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Posted 2008-January-30, 08:10

The only possible explanation is that they "psyched" their pass, trying to induce a double, no?
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Posted 2008-January-30, 08:19

gwnn, on Jan 30 2008, 04:10 PM, said:

The only possible explanation is that they "psyched" their pass, trying to induce a double, no?

I have seen that happen, but I don't think it's a deliberate psyche. Rather something like "an overcall is limited to 15 points and a jump overcall shows a 6-card, so with 16+ and a 5-card I have to pass first".

Or maybe something like a solid 8-card. Too strong for an overcall but too little HCPs for a double. So pass first.
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Posted 2008-January-30, 09:11

gwnn, on Jan 30 2008, 09:10 AM, said:

The only possible explanation is that they "psyched" their pass, trying to induce a double, no?

Either that or they missorted their hand and had some hearts in with their diamonds. I actually saw this once. The guy had seven hearts and a diamond void but he had his hand sorted spades-hearts-clubs-hearts on the first round (thats what he claimed at least)

Given the nonzero number of people who said they would double here, maybe I should try this tactic next time I have like 8 hearts.
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Posted 2008-January-30, 09:12

Apollo81, on Jan 30 2008, 10:11 AM, said:

Given the nonzero number of people who said they would double here, maybe I should try this tactic next time I have like 8 hearts.

Oh wow, I just looked at the poll results. 11 doubles!!!!
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Posted 2008-January-30, 09:22

If asked, I would have said that there are 3.5 possible calls here: 2NT, 3♣, 3♥, and 3NT. I wouldn't have said 3♣ is a possible call since I think I could bid this on an 8 count, but apparently this isn't a universal view..?
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Posted 2008-January-30, 10:13

Problems like this appear a lot more in the forums than they do at the table. That's why they create some issues for us.

I suppose I'd 3♥ here. NT needs to be played by pard. I'll pay off to 9 runners and my ♥Qxx being good enough to stop the suit.
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