[beatrix45]

Scoring: MP

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You are playing 2/1 with a pick up partner on BBO. She is the dealer; you are third seat. Matchpoints, and opponents are vul. The bidding goes:

1 ♣ - P - 1 ♦ - P
1 NT - P - ???

What do you bid now, and what is your plan?

What, if anything, do you think of an initial response of 1 ♥ on my hand? If you do respond 1 ♥, partner will rebid 1 NT. Assuming you favor a 1 ♥ initial response, what would you bid on your second turn?

[mike777]

Not Walsh style. With XYZ

Is your main question, is Walsh style dominate style among top class 2/1 pickup partners?

My guess is yes, but great question to ask.

1C=1H
1NT=2C (NOW P BIDS 2H WITH 3H OTHERWISE 2D, IN ANY CASE YOU REBID 3D INVITE).

Since this is MP and premium on going plus then....

If playing junky openers where 1nt rebid =11-13, you got choices:
1) invite in D as above or
2) sign off in 2H if P has 3 or if not play in 2D by passing Partner's rebid over 2c.

[whereagles]

Why complicate? Just bid what you have: 2H.

[Fluffy]

I would assume walsh, but still might start with 1♦, you have to pick your range on first round: GF-> 1♦, limit->1♥.

I dunno how do you show a 4-6 limit hand with XYZ, I guess with 2♣ followed by 3♦, or am I wrong? (roudi did that with 2NT-3♣-3♦ ).

[luke warm]

even playing walsh i'd bid 1d first time... but now, 2c assuming xyz or 2 way, planning on 2h

[han]

I like Jimmy's auction best, shows exactly 4 hearts, longer diamonds, invitational values, and it allows you to stop in 2H.

btw, I think that it should be encouraged to discuss conventions DURING the hands when playing with pick-up partners. Guessing what conventions you play should not be part of bridge.

[inquiry]

The title of this thread is how to invite game. To invite here with a pickup partner, jump to 3♦, which can be passed.

With a pickup parnter with whom you have not discussed such things as XYZ, with this hand, just bid simply and directly, 3NT. To begin with, 3NT rates to be the contract the field is playing, why give the opponents any more info before you get there. Sure, they have nine spades (at least) unless your partner will bypass 1NT when holding 4♠. But what the heck, matchpoints is not "real bridge", 3Nt is often bid rather than gentle exploration if 4 or 5♦ is the top spot. And with a pick-up partner in an individual, just do the obvious thing on these hands.

If playing xyz, i would bid 2♦ (game force), and then bid hearts, to see if we might avoid a hopeless 3NT if partner has Jxx of spades or the like, and land in a makable 5♦/6♦ instead, even at matchpoints, if his hand is something like Jxx Ax AQx Kxxxx.

Ben

[Fluffy]

Hannie, on May 16 2005, 11:20 AM, said:

I like Jimmy's auction best, shows exactly 4 hearts, longer diamonds, invitational values, and it allows you to stop in 2H.

btw, I think that it should be encouraged to discuss conventions DURING the hands when playing with pick-up partners. Guessing what conventions you play should not be part of bridge.

I am fully with you

[mike777]

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[P_Marlowe]

2H.

Forcing for one round, promising at least
5 diamonds and at least a good 3 card
suit, having 4 does not hurt, and partner should
treat 2H as natural, i.e. a 4 card suit.
The adv. opposite a jump to 3D is, that you
describe the value distribution of your hand,
and partner should assume a 5-4, shape

And no, I dont bid 1H, but then I would not
do it with 4-4 as well, and this is clearly a
minority view.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[Winstonm]

Playing Walsh style, you are forced into some kind of checkback for invitational hands.

My preferred method is to play 2C as the ONLY force other than the natural reverse.

WinstonM

[PriorKnowledge]

Non-Walsh is easier. 1C 1D 1N 3D = invitational, which is exactly what you want.

Walsh, you have to decide if this is a game-force or not. I think so. So respond 1D and rebid 2H, which is a GF in Walsh.

[Gerben42]

This has nothing to do with 2/1 as no one has bid 2/1. What's wrong with an invitational 3♦? This is not a Checkback situation.

[mike777]

Gerben42, on Jun 13 2005, 10:05 AM, said:

This has nothing to do with 2/1 as no one has bid 2/1. What's wrong with an invitational 3♦? This is not a Checkback situation.

Playing XYZ 3d=slam try is one reason after p has shown a minimum balanced hand. That would be one reason we need to start with 2 clubs checkback. A second reason is opener has not denied 4hearts yet. This has everything to do with 2/1 not nothing. This makes me think people do not know Walsh is the father of 2/1.

1c=1d or 1c=1h are 2/1 system bids as much as 1d=2c is a 2/1 system bid.

[Al_U_Card]

Hmmmmn, guess it depends on your system, but since the Moysian 4-3 in H will tap your hand, you'll need 3-3 H and pard to have A or AQ of H and AJT of S. If 2H (rev by responder) is NOT GF then that followed by 3D to get to the right game.

[Winstonm]

Does anyone know what is considered the "definitve" 2005 version of Walsh-style?

Years ago when I was introduced to the concept, it struck me as almost a "reverse canape'" - that is a weak hand bids his longer suit at his second opportunity.

This made quite a lot of sense as every bid took on a natural meaning and "lugging" around fourth suit forcing to plug every hole was not a requirement.

Question: How is this hand bid today? xx, Kxxx, AJxxxx, x in this auction:

1C-1H-1S-?

Seeems to me there are these options: 1) Bid 2 diamonds, natural and weak. 2) bid a forced 1N. I always thought that the biggest advantage of Walsh was its "Natural meaning" tendency, that you can go ahead and bid what you have - the only "hole" I found was plugged nicely by utilizing 2C as an "all purpose checkback", either as a game try or a game force based on subsequent bidding.

So to my thinking, the above hand is best bid 1C-1H-1S-2D.

Have the last 20 years proven this wrong while I wasn't looking?

Thanks,

WinstonM

[civill]

The south seems has a shape of 33 majors,IMO,invite 2NT is better.Could XYZ get there?