[Wayne_LV]

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[aguahombre]

Nah, don't feel like going into our 11-14 Mini Roman and the follow-up structure. Too much hate for the convention going around. Will just be content that sometimes it works well.

But, I really don't like the first-seat pass.

[ggwhiz]

At imps especially, or mp's I can make a case for north to just blast 4♠. The 2nt bid is a plus if a trump hook is needed making this a SUPER max passed hand.

At mp's I would at least cue 3♦ on the way to 3♠ and hope pard can work it out. Pard did backtrack over 2nt and I still forced to 3♠ showing higher ambitions after all. If pard divines the 2nt bid as a sketchy spade stopper (as in Kx or so) and a big diamond source of tricks they have plenty of offence.

Many would have opened the north hand but my partnership wouldn't (well, 50-50 at worst) so my pard may well bid game here but not a cinch by any means.

[broze]

North opens. 1♦-1♠-2♠-4♠

[broze]

duplicate. please delete

[Codo]

1 North pass: 4441 hands are overrated, so I would pass too.
2.South 1 ♠ Tricky descission. Your hand is usually worth one bid, so double is a close choice, but I would bid 1♠ too.
3. 2 ♦ I hope you play fitjumps, else 3 ♣ as a minisplinter looks much better- for this hand. Without this tool, I would bid 2 ♦ too.
4. South pass? well done.
5. North pass? No no never. You have a nine card fit, a shortage, there is no way to let them play 2 NT. Bid 3 ♠ if you are looking at the king of diamonds, or 4 ♠ if you look at the rest.

[hrothgar]

I agree with all the bids through 2♦.

I think that North needs to double rather than pass after the 2NT bid.

[Cyberyeti]

Any takers for 2Nx which will get you at least 300 and quite possibly 800 depending on the hearts. If W pulls to diamonds, N will realise how huge his hand is opposite known short diamonds and bid 4♠. Depends how bad the 1♠ overcall can be, but for us where this is very minimum, I'd x 2N with the N hand.

We'd follow the 1♦-1♠-2♠-4♠ route though

[mike777]

agree 4441 hands are overrated but cannot pass that north hand so:


1d=2h(reverse flannery)
etc gets you to game.

[billw55]

Cyberyeti, on 2013-March-26, 11:49, said:

Any takers for 2Nx which will get you at least 300 and quite possibly 800 depending on the hearts. If W pulls to diamonds, N will realise how huge his hand is opposite known short diamonds and bid 4♠. Depends how bad the 1♠ overcall can be, but for us where this is very minimum, I'd x 2N with the N hand.

We'd follow the 1♦-1♠-2♠-4♠ route though

yes! 2NT is a textbook blunder bid that deserves to get whacked hard.

[ggwhiz]

For the 2nt whackers, I don't like your chances of showing this much game potential opposite the obvious (to me) 3♦ - p - p back to me (or p - p - 3♦). Since pard already passed 2nt, showing defence doesn't do justice to your offence and pard should pass 3♠ over these at the speed of light.

Thinking you get to play it here is ummm......... Along the lines of Evian Pure Spring water spelled backwards. Naive

[hrothgar]

billw55, on 2013-March-26, 12:13, said:

yes! 2NT is a textbook blunder bid that deserves to get whacked hard.

Personally, I suspect that 2NT was intended to show the minors or some such.
If they were red, I'd pass

As is, I double. If they run to 3m, I can now bid 3♥ showing extra trump length and heart values.
(My failure to originally bid 3H means that partner won't play me for a 5+ card suit)

[Cyberyeti]

ggwhiz, on 2013-March-26, 13:42, said:

For the 2nt whackers, I don't like your chances of showing this much game potential opposite the obvious (to me) 3♦ - p - p back to me (or p - p - 3♦). Since pard already passed 2nt, showing defence doesn't do justice to your offence and pard should pass 3♠ over these at the speed of light.

Thinking you get to play it here is ummm......... Along the lines of Evian Pure Spring water spelled backwards. Naive

P-P-3♦ I just bid 4♠ partner is then known to have 0-1♦ and this is huge.

3♦-P-P is more awkward. I probably double, if partner leads a heart or A♣, I could easily get 2 hearts, club, spade, 2 club ruffs and on a good day with a following wind (declarer has KQ, Qx in the majors) another trump.

[billw55]

hrothgar, on 2013-March-26, 13:59, said:

Personally, I suspect that 2NT was intended to show the minors or some such.
If they were red, I'd pass

I suppose they might have meant that, although it wasn't shown as such.

ggwhiz, on 2013-March-26, 13:42, said:

For the 2nt whackers, I don't like your chances of showing this much game potential opposite the obvious (to me) 3♦ - p - p back to me (or p - p - 3♦). Since pard already passed 2nt, showing defence doesn't do justice to your offence and pard should pass 3♠ over these at the speed of light.

Thinking you get to play it here is ummm......... Along the lines of Evian Pure Spring water spelled backwards. Naive

Maybe I have seen too many bad players make these solo flights to 2NT. Even if they usually run, we are no worse off, just get back to business i.e. spade contract. In fact we have some extra options (example per hrothgar). Anyway, the main point is that north's final pass is very bad.

[gszes]

i like the bidding up until pass over 2n---your hand is
perfect tox shape and it you were a teensy bit stronger
you probably would have x vs 1s. Even though p is a
passed hand surely game should be considered. IMO
the best way to contnue is 3h. A case can be made for
3d but lets face it we relly need heart help to consider
game and the 3h bid allows p to focus their attention
on the heart suit.

As luck would have it they could raise to 4h if they had only
3 spades for original raise. Here it is far better to bid 4s
with the strong double fit and side shortness.

[Fluffy]

ps-(1♦)-1♠-(ps)
2♦-(2NT)-3♣-(ps)
3♥-(ps)-4♠

[MrAce]

No offense to anyone but I think passing with N hand with the cards he holds is a joke.

I think passing over 2 NT with south hand is pretty bad too. Not seeing N hand, from south i would think East has solidish diamonds which makes me bid auto 4♠.(assuming it is imps) Why would east try to show his pd that he has 18/19 balanced hand when opps bid and other one cued ?

[the hog]

MrAce, on 2013-March-26, 19:00, said:

No offense to anyone but I think passing with N hand with the cards he holds is a joke.

I think passing over 2 NT with south hand is pretty bad too. Not seeing N hand, from south i would think East has solidish diamonds which makes me bid auto 4♠.(assuming it is imps) Why would east try to show his pd that he has 18/19 balanced hand when opps bid and other one cued ?

I find nothing to disagree with in this post. Nth's third round pass is appalling!

[mike777]

the hog, on 2013-March-27, 00:18, said:

I find nothing to disagree with in this post. Nth's third round pass is appalling!

I SAID THIS HOURS AGO