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Posted 2012-May-31, 14:06



1st seat, NV vs. V MP
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Posted 2012-May-31, 14:08

I open 2H.
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Posted 2012-May-31, 14:11

I open 3♥.
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Posted 2012-May-31, 14:13

You will get a lot of different replies for this, since it is highly style oriented decision.

I would go with 3♥ myself. I wouldnt mind 2♥ or 4♥. Though I don't like 1♥ or pass.
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Posted 2012-May-31, 15:46

2♥
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Posted 2012-May-31, 16:50



Here's the entire, bizzare auction.
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Posted 2012-May-31, 17:24

Which seat were you in?
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Posted 2012-May-31, 17:28

View PostPhil, on 2012-May-31, 17:24, said:

Which seat were you in?

Don't ask. :ph34r:
I knew it wasn't right but my hand seemed too good for 2♥ and I did not consider 3♥.
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Posted 2012-May-31, 18:06

Well, I'm glad you are looking at your own decisions instead of trying to get ammo against partner's.

4♥ is abysmal in case youre wondering.
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Posted 2012-May-31, 19:40

3♥. Unfav. I would open 2♥
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Posted 2012-June-01, 15:47

View PostPhil, on 2012-May-31, 18:06, said:

4♥ is abysmal in case youre wondering.

Partner should bid 2♠ ?
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Posted 2012-June-01, 16:19

View Postjillybean, on 2012-June-01, 15:47, said:

Partner should bid 2♠ ?


I think so. With the opponents vulnerable the auction isn't getting away from you and you can show your support later.
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Posted 2012-June-01, 16:40

View PostPhil, on 2012-June-01, 16:19, said:

I think so. With the opponents vulnerable the auction isn't getting away from you and you can show your support later.

& making it easier for me to bid to the 5 level if needed? (if I did have a 1♥ opening)

And, please explain why you would open 3H and not 2,
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Posted 2012-June-01, 16:56

View Postjillybean, on 2012-June-01, 15:47, said:

Partner should bid 2♠ ?

I think both 2S and 3C are far better choices than 4H. Re. the opening, I agree with the_clown, 2H unfavorable, else 3H. The side four card suit really makes this hand a player, I would like to suggest a high ODR to partner. Opening 1H is often going to mislead partner about your defensive potential.
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Posted 2012-June-01, 17:16

View Postjillybean, on 2012-June-01, 16:40, said:

& making it easier for me to bid to the 5 level if needed? (if I did have a 1♥ opening)

And, please explain why you would open 3H and not 2,


The hand has too much playing strength for a w/r two bid. LTC is kind of useful here, and a 6 loser weak two is generally considered heavy. (ducks)

If you compare this hand to a lot of trashy hands where you should be opening 2♥, you can see its worth 3.
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Posted 2012-June-02, 07:57

3H for me as well.
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Posted 2012-June-02, 23:46

View Postjillybean, on 2012-June-01, 15:47, said:

Partner should bid 2♠ ?

Or a 4♣ splinter, perhaps?

Unless they are fielding your extremely light 2nd seat opener B-)

3♥ looks like a reasonable opening in this seat at these colours, and should lead to 4♥. Both 2♥ and Pass I think are better than 1♥; 4♥ is ok, if a tad aggressive, and perhaps unnecessary with 3 cards in ♠, except as a double-bluff...
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Posted 2012-June-03, 00:21

I'm finding that my partner and I are miles apart when it comes to opening weak 2's.
He likes '2 of the top 3' in 1st and 2nd seat whereas my requirement is more like 6 to the 'x'. This hand looks too good
to open 2H to me, my partner thinks it is min for a 2H opener. We have some work to do. :)

I have never defined exactly what a preempt looks like in 1st,2nd,3rd seat, V, NV etc but I don't think a simple point count is adequate and perhaps we need to look at things like loosing trick count and ODR.
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Posted 2012-June-03, 07:30

View Postjillybean, on 2012-June-03, 00:21, said:

...my partner thinks it is min for a 2H opener.

I cannot imagine playing a style where this is "minimum" for a 2H opening.
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