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Let's start at the beginnning

Poll: Let's start at the beginnning (28 member(s) have cast votes)

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  1. 1H (6 votes [21.43%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 21.43%

  2. 2C (21 votes [75.00%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 75.00%

  3. I have another gf gadget (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  4. abstain (1 votes [3.57%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 3.57%

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#1 User is offline   jillybean 

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Posted 2012-June-02, 08:17



V vs. NV, 2nd seat, pass to you.
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Posted 2012-June-02, 09:31

View Postjillybean, on 2012-June-02, 08:17, said:



V vs. NV, 2nd seat, pass to you.


Acol 2 if that is available. If not, then 2 if partner plays a method where 2 is either strong balance, acol two in a major, or true game force with 2 reply as instant negative response. Lacking that option, then 1.
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Posted 2012-June-02, 09:42

Ok, I expect everyone will open with some sort of strong gf bid. Let's just say you had a momentary lapse of reason and opened 1.



What now?
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Posted 2012-June-02, 09:43

2 for me. Game is very likely if partner holds merely the jack of clubs.
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Posted 2012-June-02, 10:27

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Posted 2012-June-02, 10:58

If I read Inquiry's post correctly it seems he suggests that this is not a 2C opener in standard bridge. I strongly disagree.

After the 1H opening the auction is quite interesting. We want to be in a grand if partner has 2 aces, so it would be nice if 4NT was blackwood for hearts. But is it? I'd say that it would sooner be for diamonds, but I actually think it is competitive, looking for the best strain.

Not knowing how to ask for aces I would bid 5S followed by 6H. Hopefully partner will know to bid 7 with two aces.
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Posted 2012-June-02, 12:26



When was the last time you had +2000 for 60% board? :lol:
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Posted 2012-June-02, 12:49

I would bid 4N RKC for diamonds. If partner shows me:

0/3 or 1/4 I'll bid 5.

If he shows me 2 I will bid 6.

Here's where it gets fun:

If I pull to 5 partner will go to 6 with 3. With the A I think he also can work out what's up.

After 5 or 5, I think partner also might bid an inspired 7 with both minor aces.
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Posted 2012-June-02, 12:52

Obvious 2 even for my partner Mark.
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Posted 2012-June-02, 12:52

My last 2000 was a long time ago and was all the matchpoints as we took it out of 1N.

Was 2 FG or F1 ?

I think you should make a forcing pass over 6. It's a very standard policy to say that a forcing pass that invites partner to bid at the 7 level shows first round control in opps suit.

Partner will prob bid 7 as his suit is solid, and you can bid 7N being pretty sure it makes if either suit runs.

I'd open 2 here as any hand with J and a stiff heart makes game decent and any 4333 with A makes a slam. If there's a flat hand that might pass out 1 that makes a slam opposite is one of my criteria for a 2 opener.
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Posted 2012-June-02, 13:04

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Posted 2012-June-02, 14:05

Among the choices I would open 2. However my preference is 1 Precision. Sometimes the extra space can be helpful. If EW bid similarly, it won't make much difference.

After opening 1 and hearing partner's 2 freebid, I am sure 7-level is on our radar screen. Agree with earlier post that forcin pass of 6 is appropriate...
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Posted 2012-June-02, 23:18

What Phil said.

The LTC brigade will say this is an 11-trick hand, though I would agree with them here that it is worth a 2 opener.
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Posted 2012-June-03, 00:32

View PostCyberyeti, on 2012-June-02, 12:52, said:

My last 2000 was a long time ago and was all the matchpoints as we took it out of 1N.

Was 2 FG or F1 ?

This was with a partner I have played with once or twice before, so no agreement, F1+

View PostCyberyeti, on 2012-June-02, 12:52, said:

I think you should make a forcing pass over 6. It's a very standard policy to say that a forcing pass that invites partner to bid at the 7 level shows first round control in opps suit.
Partner will prob bid 7 as his suit is solid, and you can bid 7N being pretty sure it makes if either suit runs.

How can I bid 7 holding Kx?

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I'd open 2 here as any hand with J and a stiff heart makes game decent and any 4333 with A makes a slam. If there's a flat hand that might pass out 1 that makes a slam opposite is one of my criteria for a 2 opener.

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Posted 2012-June-03, 02:47

Sure, you have a 2C opener by most peoples definition, but that is not the only consideration when you open 2C. Here you are red vs white with two singletons. There is a huge chance that this is coming back to you in 4S. Will you be happier having opened 1H or 2C if it goes 1H 1S ? 4S, or 2C 2S ? 4S? I prefer the first auction. So I will open 1H. Make it white vs red, and now 2C looks a lot more tempting.
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Posted 2012-June-03, 04:58

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I think you should make a forcing pass over 6♠. It's a very standard policy to say that a forcing pass that invites partner to bid at the 7 level shows first round control in opps suit.



View Postjillybean, on 2012-June-03, 00:32, said:

How can I bid 7 holding Kx?

Because any sensible arrangement says that south's forcing pass (which I recommended above) over 6 shows first round control, so north doesn't need to worry about spades.
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Posted 2012-June-03, 09:07

View PostCyberyeti, on 2012-June-03, 04:58, said:

Because any sensible arrangement says that south's forcing pass (which I recommended above) over 6 shows first round control, so north doesn't need to worry about spades.

I see thanks, I misread your response.
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