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After a fit jump

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  1. Cooperate with 4H, respecting a sign off (14 votes [63.64%])

    Percentage of vote: 63.64%

  2. cooperate with 4H, bidding again after a sign off (3 votes [13.64%])

    Percentage of vote: 13.64%

  3. sign off in 4S (1 votes [4.55%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.55%

  4. keycard/take control (4 votes [18.18%])

    Percentage of vote: 18.18%

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Posted 2012-May-22, 13:00



Your 3♥ call shows an invitational hand with 4+ spades and 5+ hearts. Your agreement is to cuebid 1st & 2nd round controls, but opener may bypass a 2nd round control if he thinks it is opposite shortness. 3N over 3♥ would have been undiscussed. If it matters, you are in an unrefined partnership playing in the finals of your flight A GNT trials (as for quality of partner/opponents).

How much are you willing to do with this hand?
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Posted 2012-May-22, 13:13

4h seems fine given I am a passed hand. will pass 4s.

I would have opened this hand but......

I dont play or really know fit jumps I would have splintered as a passed hand.
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Posted 2012-May-22, 13:17

I missed the PH initally.

Seems pretty safe to trot out 4♥ and hold my silence over 4♠...
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Posted 2012-May-22, 13:28

Important to note 4♥ doesn't really repeat the the heart message but shows the club control. This seems kinda obvious.

Maybe I should take charge since is a pretty nice hand and partners slow 4♠ bars me.
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Posted 2012-May-22, 14:58

 Phil, on 2012-May-22, 13:28, said:

Important to note 4♥ doesn't really repeat the the heart message but shows the club control. This seems kinda obvious.




Good analysis.
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Posted 2012-May-23, 01:18

Can I really have a better hand? I would jump to 6 ♠ before passing four...
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Posted 2012-May-23, 05:15

Yes, Codo . Move the stiff to clubs and the Ace to spades and much better.
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Posted 2012-May-23, 09:41

I was just curious. This was a MI/UI case - N had indicated that she had no idea what 3♥ was, but that maybe it was a splinter. S did not bid on over 4♠, and I was wondering if bidding on was a LA. It sounds like it was.
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Posted 2012-May-23, 12:02

I think a correct fit jump would be to 4♥, assuming you (or they) don't play fit jumps only at the three level. The reason being, I want to raise to the four level, not the three level.

Since I have already underbid by a full level, no way am i bidding 4♥ and then passing a 4♠ bid. For me, 4♥ does show a club control (last train and all) and has nothing to do with the fact that I have already made a value showing bid in hearts.
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Posted 2012-May-23, 19:34

4♥ rebid has a Last Train flavor - I will pass 4♠ and respect partner's choice.
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Posted 2012-May-23, 21:37

 inquiry, on 2012-May-23, 12:02, said:

I think a correct fit jump would be to 4♥, assuming you (or they) don't play fit jumps only at the three level. The reason being, I want to raise to the four level, not the three level.

4♥ would be a splinter for me. And the 3-level fit jump shows values for game, even from a passed hand. But apparently YMMV :rolleyes:
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