Game tries can be a two-edged sword. In this case who did worse? East or West? Is it better to play short/long suit tries?
ATB: Game tries Do you play them?
#1
Posted 2011-May-23, 21:54
Game tries can be a two-edged sword. In this case who did worse? East or West? Is it better to play short/long suit tries?
wyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:
rbforster, on 2012-May-20, 21:04, said:
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#2
Posted 2011-May-24, 00:17
- hrothgar
#3
Posted 2011-May-24, 01:28
#4
Posted 2011-May-25, 03:05
Anyway, my methods are mixed trials:
1st step = short suit trial
Other steps = trial with xxx(x)
With this method overcaller either bids 3♦ as a long trial or 2♠+3♥ as a short one.
I prefer long trials to be weak suits because I can't evaluate a values long trial properly.
#5
Posted 2011-May-25, 03:34
whereagles, on 2011-May-25, 03:05, said:
Even with trumps 2-2, it's off if they lead diamonds - there's a trump promotion.
#6
Posted 2011-May-25, 05:00
#7
Posted 2011-May-25, 05:37
I know these things are easier on paper than in real life, but that doesn't seem an especailly difficult defence to find. Doesn't it say "Advanced and Expert-Class Bridge" at the top of this page?
#8
Posted 2011-May-25, 06:29
#10
Posted 2011-May-25, 07:47
the Freman, Chani from the move "Dune"
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George Bernard Shaw
#11
Posted 2011-May-25, 14:21
As to the bidding, it's fine through 3♥. The 3♦ bid says "I could use some help in diamonds" and the 3♥ bid says "I don't have help in diamonds, but I do have some heart cards." From the east standpoint (looking at a singleton heart and three baby diamonds) heart cards are not particularly useful. So east should bid 3♠ and play there.
In general two-way tries are the best (i.e. 3X short-suit, 2NT asks what long-suit try would be accepted) but there is not a huge difference.
a.k.a. Appeal Without Merit
#13
Posted 2011-May-25, 15:56
It seems like this hand might also overcall 1♠ and try 3♦ over 2♠. However, game on this hand is great opposite west's hand! So it seems very useful for west to be able to show cards in hearts...
If Roger really thinks that slam should take precedence over game in an auction with both opponents bidding constructively (i.e. 3♥ is a cuebid with diamond help also, in case of a slam try) then I wish him good luck with that. Otherwise I'd be interested to hear what he thinks 3♥ is, and how he proposes to get to game opposite my hand above while avoiding game on the actual pair of hands.
a.k.a. Appeal Without Merit
#14
Posted 2011-May-25, 16:17
As for explaining how I plan to bid every game which is good and stay out of every game which is not, I will not reveal that secret so lightly! You will have to purchase my upcoming book, How to Play Bridge Perfectly, coming to Master Point Press next month.
#15
Posted 2011-May-27, 06:25
rogerclee, on 2011-May-25, 15:33, said:
If you're going to disagree you should at least say what you think it should mean. I've always thought it was a counter game try.
OK, I just saw your answer, I should have looked before I responded. I still don't know how "having some values" is going to help if pd doesn't know where they are other than not in diamonds.
#16
Posted 2011-May-27, 07:00
rogerclee, on 2011-May-25, 16:17, said:
As for explaining how I plan to bid every game which is good and stay out of every game which is not, I will not reveal that secret so lightly! You will have to purchase my upcoming book, How to Play Bridge Perfectly, coming to Master Point Press next month.
dboxley, on 2011-May-27, 06:25, said:
OK, I just saw your answer, I should have looked before I responded. I still don't know how "having some values" is going to help if pd doesn't know where they are other than not in diamonds.
Isn't there an inference that the person who makes a long suit try when there are three available suits will skip a suit where s/he needs no help? So in this case when partner asks about diamonds he needs help in the suit but does not need help in clubs. Could the overcaller hold: AKxxxx Qxx Qxx A? Then 3♥ leads to 4♠, but should advancer bid 3♥ with Qxx Kxx xxx KQTx? I'm not so sure.
wyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:
rbforster, on 2012-May-20, 21:04, said:
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#17
Posted 2011-May-27, 17:28
** To lead partner's bid suit requires GOGGLES?
#18
Posted 2011-May-27, 18:24
dake50, on 2011-May-27, 17:28, said:
** To lead partner's bid suit requires GOGGLES?
Maybe he's the guy who first said: 'The googles! They do nothing!!!"
wyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:
rbforster, on 2012-May-20, 21:04, said:
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#20
Posted 2011-May-30, 03:57
To answer your 2nd question - we play value showing trial bids, but responder is
fairly strong for his single raise, so he will always accept the invite.
With kind regards
Marlowe
Uwe Gebhardt (P_Marlowe)