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Bid slowly or preempt? Six of one half a dozen of another?

Poll: How do you open this hand? (26 member(s) have cast votes)

How do you open this hand?

  1. 1 heart then 2 hearts after 1 spade (19 votes [73.08%])

    Percentage of vote: 73.08%

  2. 1 heart then 3 hearts after 1 spade (5 votes [19.23%])

    Percentage of vote: 19.23%

  3. 3 hearts (2 votes [7.69%])

    Percentage of vote: 7.69%

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#1 User is offline   Orla 

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Posted 2010-July-03, 16:51

This hand came up during a just-for-fun teams afternoon of live bridge. Scoring was IMPs:

♠ J
♥ A K X X X X X
♦ X
♣ K X X X

What would you open in 1st or 2nd seat?

If you open 1♥ what is your rebid after 1♠ and why?
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Posted 2010-July-03, 16:56

A 4H opening is not as bad as it looks. Depends a bit on vulnerability. When we're NV vs V for example our missed slams aren't as big a loss and their missed games are big wins. Some other people will say that it's better to open 4H when we're V because then you show some cards. I don't agree with them.
A 3H opening is completely stupid.
1H is the normal opening so I will make it. Over 1S I will bid 2C. We've made it this far without competition so it means we may as well try to describe our hand.
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Posted 2010-July-03, 17:08

gwnn, on Jul 3 2010, 04:56 PM, said:

1H is the normal opening so I will make it. Over 1S I will bid 2C. We've made it this far without competition so it means we may as well try to describe our hand.

We have different views on how to describe a minimum opening bid with a lot of hearts.
"Bidding Spades to show spades can work well." (Kenberg)
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Posted 2010-July-03, 17:18

I don't think this is a minimum opening bid though:) I'd like to raise partner's 2♥ to 3♥ for example
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Posted 2010-July-03, 17:23

I would open 4♥.
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Posted 2010-July-03, 17:43

gwnn, on Jul 3 2010, 03:56 PM, said:

1H is the normal opening so I will make it. Over 1S I will bid 2C. We've made it this far without competition so it means we may as well try to describe our hand.

I agree with this plan
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Posted 2010-July-03, 18:17

1♥
OK
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Posted 2010-July-03, 19:07

none of the above. no response is really possible without knowing the colo(u)rs
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Posted 2010-July-03, 19:14

1♥ then 2♥ for me which I prefer to 1♥ then 2♣ with a 7 bagger, but at favorable vul I think I'd just shoot out 4♥ in first seat.

EDIT: Yes, as others have pointed out, it would have been good if the OP had mentioned the vulnerably which will always matter for any preempt situation.
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Posted 2010-July-03, 20:13

Vulnerability matters!

Choices for me are 1H-then-2H and opening-4H.
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Posted 2010-July-03, 20:16

1st fav, I would open 4♥ because I think the preemptive value is very high. 1st other or 2nd I would open 1♥, because I don't really ODR for preempting. If partner has a singleton heart, I could easily have 3 defensive tricks. Change the hand to x KQJxxxx x Axxx and now I would open 4♥ at all except maybe 2nd unfav. If I open 1♥, obv rebid 2♥
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Posted 2010-July-03, 21:47

Why is 3H an option? Its 4H or 1H, the lack of aces prefers 4H, there is also a lack of depth of hearts honours- partner need quite a lot to continue in hearts or offer clubs. Its also that the second suit is a minor and though spades is OK if the quality of your hand is biased towards hearts as a contract.
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Posted 2010-July-04, 00:10

cloa513, on Jul 4 2010, 05:47 AM, said:

Why is 3H an option? Its 4H or 1H, the lack of aces prefers 4H, there is also a lack of depth of hearts honours- partner need quite a lot to continue in hearts or offer clubs. Its also that the second suit is a minor and though spades is OK if the quality of your hand is biased towards hearts as a contract.

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Posted 2010-July-04, 04:44

dead easy 4♥ to me.

1♥ works better when we have a slam, but I think that's rather unlikely. In all other cases 4♥ is more adequate.
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Posted 2010-July-04, 04:44

Would open 4H.

After opening 1H, I think I'd rebid 4H. rebidding 2C seems really bad to me, partner could easily pass with 4H cold.
and the result can be plotted on a graph.
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Posted 2010-July-04, 21:31

1714 distribution and we are given free reign in this auction?! What's up?!
Try to imagine hands around this table with sane players.


EDIT: Yea aquahombre, doesn't that picture answer what should be bid?
Monster misfit or partner knows what he'll do next over 2H.
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Posted 2010-July-05, 04:54

Hi,

1H, followed by 4H.

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Posted 2010-July-05, 07:42

dake50, on Jul 4 2010, 09:31 PM, said:

1714 distribution and we are given free reign in this auction?!  What's up?!
Try to imagine hands around this table with sane players.


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Posted 2010-July-05, 09:52

hanp, on Jul 4 2010, 10:44 AM, said:

Would open 4H.

After opening 1H, I think I'd rebid 4H. rebidding 2C seems really bad to me, partner could easily pass with 4H cold.

How do you define 1H then 4H?
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Posted 2010-July-05, 10:47

gwnn, on Jul 5 2010, 04:52 PM, said:

How do you define 1H then 4H?

I define it as a hand that looks like a 4♥ opening but is a bit too strong. Rather like what we've got, in fact.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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