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Partner is reasonably aggressive occasionally but not normally super weak. A six-card suit is definitely possible.
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Pre-empt Reasonably aggressive style
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Posted 2010-July-03, 02:38
Partner is reasonably aggressive occasionally but not normally super weak. A six-card suit is definitely possible.
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Wayne Burrows
I believe that the USA currently hold only the World Championship For People Who Still Bid Like Your Auntie Gladys - dburn
dunno how to play 4 card majors - JLOGIC
True but I know Standard American and what better reason could I have for playing Precision? - Hideous Hog
Bidding is an estimation of probabilities SJ Simon
I believe that the USA currently hold only the World Championship For People Who Still Bid Like Your Auntie Gladys - dburn
dunno how to play 4 card majors - JLOGIC
True but I know Standard American and what better reason could I have for playing Precision? - Hideous Hog
Bidding is an estimation of probabilities SJ Simon
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Posted 2010-July-03, 03:06
3NT wtp?
Even if partner is:
♠ xx
♥ x
♦ xxxx
♣ J10xxxx
It has reasonable play.
Even if partner is in the top end, 6♣ is a far shot, i.e:
♠ xx
♥ Kx
♦ Kxx
♣ QJ10xxx
6♣ is on a finesse.
(If you change a red card to a club, partner is not an agressive preemptor.)
Did partner hold:
♠ QJx
♥ x
♦ xx
♣ Qxxxxxx
?
Finally; of course 5♣ might occasionally be right, but I'll never find out below 3NT.
Even if partner is:
♠ xx
♥ x
♦ xxxx
♣ J10xxxx
It has reasonable play.
Even if partner is in the top end, 6♣ is a far shot, i.e:
♠ xx
♥ Kx
♦ Kxx
♣ QJ10xxx
6♣ is on a finesse.
(If you change a red card to a club, partner is not an agressive preemptor.)
Did partner hold:
♠ QJx
♥ x
♦ xx
♣ Qxxxxxx
?
Finally; of course 5♣ might occasionally be right, but I'll never find out below 3NT.
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Best Regards Ole Berg
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We should always assume 2/1 unless otherwise stated, because:
- If the original poster didn't bother to state his system, that means that he thinks it's obvious what he's playing. The only people who think this are 2/1 players.
Gnasher
Do not underestimate the power of the dark side. Or the ninth trumph.
Best Regards Ole Berg
_____________________________________
We should always assume 2/1 unless otherwise stated, because:
- If the original poster didn't bother to state his system, that means that he thinks it's obvious what he's playing. The only people who think this are 2/1 players.
Gnasher
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Posted 2010-July-03, 04:44
My simulation suggests that 3NT is 40% clear and 60% WTP. Anything else is 90% LOL.
and the result can be plotted on a graph.
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Posted 2010-July-03, 04:47
han's results look accurate to me.
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Posted 2010-July-03, 06:29
hamman eggs in a steel vault 
"Tell me of your home world, Usul"
the Freman, Chani from the move "Dune"
"I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and besides, the pig likes it."
George Bernard Shaw
the Freman, Chani from the move "Dune"
"I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and besides, the pig likes it."
George Bernard Shaw
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Posted 2010-July-03, 09:24
Cascade?
Please let me know about any questions or interest or bug reports about GIB.
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Posted 2010-July-04, 05:18
jdonn?
what would you open with:
♠ A74
♥ 8
♦ K5
♣ QT98754
what would you open with:
♠ A74
♥ 8
♦ K5
♣ QT98754
Wayne Burrows
I believe that the USA currently hold only the World Championship For People Who Still Bid Like Your Auntie Gladys - dburn
dunno how to play 4 card majors - JLOGIC
True but I know Standard American and what better reason could I have for playing Precision? - Hideous Hog
Bidding is an estimation of probabilities SJ Simon
I believe that the USA currently hold only the World Championship For People Who Still Bid Like Your Auntie Gladys - dburn
dunno how to play 4 card majors - JLOGIC
True but I know Standard American and what better reason could I have for playing Precision? - Hideous Hog
Bidding is an estimation of probabilities SJ Simon
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Posted 2010-July-04, 07:10
Cascade, on Jul 4 2010, 12:18 PM, said:
what would you open with:
♠ A74
♥ 8
♦ K5
♣ QT98754
♠ A74
♥ 8
♦ K5
♣ QT98754
1♣ or pass. I think that opening 3♣ in first seat with that is dreadful.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2010-July-04, 07:28
gnasher, on Jul 4 2010, 08:10 AM, said:
Cascade, on Jul 4 2010, 12:18 PM, said:
what would you open with:
♠ A74
♥ 8
♦ K5
♣ QT98754
♠ A74
♥ 8
♦ K5
♣ QT98754
1♣ or pass. I think that opening 3♣ in first seat with that is dreadful.
Agree since it seems to run counter to best strategy. IMO that is preempt when your ODR is very O and your defensive values are very low. In the sample hand the Opps are probably at best in a 50% slam if partner has zilch. With partner having marginal values game should probably be defended rather than saved against
EDIT: this is 1st and 2nd seat strategy again IMO
"Tell me of your home world, Usul"
the Freman, Chani from the move "Dune"
"I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and besides, the pig likes it."
George Bernard Shaw
the Freman, Chani from the move "Dune"
"I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and besides, the pig likes it."
George Bernard Shaw
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Posted 2010-July-04, 07:35
Cascade, on Jul 4 2010, 06:18 AM, said:
jdonn?
what would you open with:
♠ A74
♥ 8
♦ K5
♣ QT98754
what would you open with:
♠ A74
♥ 8
♦ K5
♣ QT98754
Posting a farfetched example where 3NT is not the best contract does not make it any less WTP.
and the result can be plotted on a graph.
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Posted 2010-July-04, 09:50
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Posted 2010-July-04, 11:26
Cascade, on Jul 4 2010, 06:18 AM, said:
jdonn?
what would you open with:
♠ A74
♥ 8
♦ K5
♣ QT98754
what would you open with:
♠ A74
♥ 8
♦ K5
♣ QT98754
Not 3♣ if I'm reasonably aggressive and a 6 card suit is definitely possible. Nor would it make this any less of a wtp if that were a maximum 3♣ opener for this pair.
Please let me know about any questions or interest or bug reports about GIB.
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Posted 2010-July-04, 11:43
3N. No 2nd choice. If partner has the right hand for some slam, too bad, that's the breaks when you preempt loosely 1st & 2nd seat - sometimes you preempt partner.
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Posted 2010-July-04, 12:28
hanp, on Jul 4 2010, 03:35 PM, said:
Cascade, on Jul 4 2010, 06:18 AM, said:
jdonn?
what would you open with:
♠ A74
♥ 8
♦ K5
♣ QT98754
what would you open with:
♠ A74
♥ 8
♦ K5
♣ QT98754
Posting a beyond farfetched example where 3NT is not the best contract, does not make it any less WTP.
FYP!
_____________________________________
Do not underestimate the power of the dark side. Or the ninth trumph.
Best Regards Ole Berg
_____________________________________
We should always assume 2/1 unless otherwise stated, because:
- If the original poster didn't bother to state his system, that means that he thinks it's obvious what he's playing. The only people who think this are 2/1 players.
Gnasher
Do not underestimate the power of the dark side. Or the ninth trumph.
Best Regards Ole Berg
_____________________________________
We should always assume 2/1 unless otherwise stated, because:
- If the original poster didn't bother to state his system, that means that he thinks it's obvious what he's playing. The only people who think this are 2/1 players.
Gnasher
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Posted 2010-July-04, 13:46
thats an obvious 1♣ ZAR opener ahah
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Posted 2010-July-04, 21:38
May I have a Ogust-like next step? Thus 3D asks 3H=trash, 3S=useful suit, 4C=useful hand, zoom for super suit and useful control(s).
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