[pclayton]

jdonn, on Jan 25 2008, 01:56 PM, said:

Jlall, on Jan 25 2008, 04:37 PM, said:

Hannie, on Jan 25 2008, 04:36 PM, said:

It would be interesting to do a simulation, what undoubled contract gives you the best IMPs expectation given that RHO is a passed hand?

I will put money on 4S if you actually do this...gimme some action han!

But in fairness if RHO has a minimum 1♠ opener himself then he would pass and wait for you, so you can't rule that out

Frankly, I think ANY strong hand could pass and wait for the motherload.

Wait, what if I psyched a 1♠ opener out of turn? Oo.

[jtfanclub]

Jlall, on Jan 25 2008, 05:39 PM, said:

Hannie, on Jan 25 2008, 04:36 PM, said:

It would be interesting to do a simulation, what undoubled contract gives you the best IMPs expectation given that RHO is a passed hand?

jtfanclub said:

Hmmm...let's make some stipulations....

1. Perfect doubling of 4♠: if you make it they didn't double, if you don't they did.

lol.

Yeah, opening at the 4 level sure looks a whole lot better when the opponents aren't allowed to X.

Too bad it has nothing to do with the actual problem.

[rbforster]

pclayton, on Jan 25 2008, 05:14 PM, said:

Frankly, I think ANY strong hand could pass and wait for the motherload.

Wait, what if I psyched a 1♠ opener out of turn? Oo.

Yeah against players good enough to pass their strong NT's when I've bid out of turn (hoping to double me in my guessed and overbid contract), I might have to start psyching in 3rd seat before RHO bids. That'll mix things up a bit I'm sure - kinda of like psyching in 3rd seat after P-P, but more fun since it confuses 2nd seat who was thinking about bidding...

[CSGibson]

Rob F, on Jan 25 2008, 03:13 PM, said:

pclayton, on Jan 25 2008, 05:14 PM, said:

Frankly, I think ANY strong hand could pass and wait for the motherload.

Wait, what if I psyched a 1♠ opener out of turn? Oo.

Yeah against players good enough to pass their strong NT's when I've bid out of turn (hoping to double me in my guessed and overbid contract), I might have to start psyching in 3rd seat before RHO bids. That'll mix things up a bit I'm sure - kinda of like psyching in 3rd seat after P-P, but more fun since it confuses 2nd seat who was thinking about bidding...

I'm 99% sure that it's a procedural penalty to start bidding out of turn on purpose to rig the auction.

[ArtK78]

CSGibson, on Jan 25 2008, 08:44 PM, said:

Rob F, on Jan 25 2008, 03:13 PM, said:

pclayton, on Jan 25 2008, 05:14 PM, said:

Frankly, I think ANY strong hand could pass and wait for the motherload.

Wait, what if I psyched a 1♠ opener out of turn? Oo.

Yeah against players good enough to pass their strong NT's when I've bid out of turn (hoping to double me in my guessed and overbid contract), I might have to start psyching in 3rd seat before RHO bids. That'll mix things up a bit I'm sure - kinda of like psyching in 3rd seat after P-P, but more fun since it confuses 2nd seat who was thinking about bidding...

I'm 99% sure that it's a procedural penalty to start bidding out of turn on purpose to rig the auction.

It is much more than a procedural penalty. Opening out of turn deliberately to bar partner from the auction could lead to a suspension.