[Winstonm]

Scoring: IMP

Auction:

W N E S
P P P ?

Now what?

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[luis]

3NT, what else?

[Walddk]

luis, on Jul 13 2005, 11:15 PM, said:

3NT, what else?

Miraculously, I agree with Luis :-)

3NT in 4th seat can show anything and is obviously alertable with a full explanation if asked. Partner never pulls. If I get doubled (how can they?), I may reconsider.

Roland

[Winstonm]

Would there be an advantage to playing solid suit preempts in 4th seat instead of gambling 3N?

[luis]

Winstonm, on Jul 13 2005, 09:26 PM, said:

Would there be an advantage to playing solid suit preempts in 4th seat instead of gambling 3N?

Agreeing with Roland I must say that 3NT in 4th is not exactly gambling is just "to play". Usually you do have a suit but sometimes is just a solid suit without side values and sometimes it's a semisolid suit with side values.

If they double I stand the double, nobody could open and now they want to double 3NT? I will think they are trying to scare me.

[pigpenz]

If i bid it will be 3nt, but i would pass, especially since I have no major suit cards

[mike777]

3nt

hope i have 15 Pearson points.

[awm]

3♣ seems like a good call to me. Sure, opponents might find a major suit fit over this, but if they do I probably wasn't making 3NT anyway. And it's hard to overcall at the three level as a passed hand.

For those bidding 3NT, do you really expect to make it? If partner can't stop both majors, chances are pretty good opponents will lead the major he has xxx in (longest and strongest is a popular lead, not to mention the chance they could lead an ace and switch). I would rate the chances of 3NT making from my side as pretty low. I'm in fourth seat, I want a plus score. Partner can certainly bid 3NT over 3♣, and I expect he will do so a fairly substantial percentage of the time 3NT is making (and it's more likely to make from his side than mine).

Curiously, I'd be MUCH more likely to call 3NT in third seat than fourth.

[luis]

awm, on Jul 13 2005, 11:11 PM, said:

For those bidding 3NT, do you really expect to make it? If partner can't stop both majors, chances are pretty good opponents will lead the major he has xxx in (longest and strongest is a popular lead, not to mention the chance they could lead an ace and switch). I would rate the chances of 3NT making from my side as pretty low. I'm in fourth seat, I want a plus score. Partner can certainly bid 3NT over 3♣, and I expect he will do so a fairly substantial percentage of the time 3NT is making (and it's more likely to make from his side than mine).
Curiously, I'd be MUCH more likely to call 3NT in third seat than fourth.

Yes I expect to make 3NT. There're 28 HCP left if they are divided pd should have around 9, there're a lot of 9 HCP combinations where 3NT is either cold or has a lot of chances.

[Winstonm]

Scoring: IMP

The hands: 3N is down with the natural heart lead but 5C is gin and 6 clubs has a play. With no agreements, if the South hand opened 3C in 4th seat what would you expect and what would you do with the North hand?

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[mike777]

Winstonm, on Jul 13 2005, 06:45 PM, said:

Scoring: IMP

The hands: 3N is down with the natural heart lead but 5C is gin and 6 clubs has a play.  With no agreements, if the South hand opened 3C in 4th seat what would you expect and what would you do with the North hand?

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I expect p to open 1D in second seat and prevent this issue. Once again we can blame partner for creating this forum problem

[Winstonm]

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Once again we can blame partner for creating this forum problem 

This goes without saying but the question remains - having passed, what now?

[cherdano]

My bidding is 3♣-3NT. Down one if ♥J and one high heart honor is offside (and opening leader finds the low heart lead from AJxx(x) or KJxx(x)), ntp, next.

Arend

[Winstonm]

Another question for you 3N bidders - If 3N is right, shouldn't it be played from the other side?

[luis]

How many problems in this forum are created by a player not opening light? I mean if you open with 12 why not with good 11? How terrible can the difference be?

[Winstonm]

luis, on Jul 13 2005, 07:33 PM, said:

How many problems in this forum are created by a player not opening light? I mean if you open with 12 why not with good 11? How terrible can the difference be?

Probably about as many as are caused by light openings. For many, myself included, it's not the opening that is so troublesome but the rebids - if I open 1D with this hand, I must either raise a major to 2, rebid a very so-so diamond suit, or rebid 1N - none of these rebids are very satisfactory; however, if I pass and partner opens 1H or 1S, I can bid a natural 2D and describe my hand well in one bid.

You picks your poison.......

Winston

[HeartA]

luis, on Jul 13 2005, 07:33 PM, said:

How many problems in this forum are created by a player not opening light? I mean if you open with 12 why not with good 11? How terrible can the difference be?

if you open with 12 why not with good 11?
if you open with 11 why not with (good) 10?
if you open with 10 why not with (good) 9?
if you open with 9 why not with (good) 8?
... ...

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

[bearmum]

Winstonm, on Jul 14 2005, 10:11 AM, said:

Scoring: IMP

Auction:

W  N  E  S
P  P  P  ?

Now what?

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I open 3♣ IF 3NT is on it's probably better if Partner calls it

[luke warm]

i'd have opened the north hand 1nt, but only because there are 4 controls.. i'd expect south to then bid 3nt..

[han]

Why are you complaining Luis? You were expecting to make 3NT opposite a 9 count, and surprise, partner shows up with a great 11 count!

Not to say I don't consider opening with partner's hand automatic.