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Good hand in fourth seat after weak two

#1 User is offline   AL78 

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Posted 2023-April-19, 01:58



A sim pairs event, three and a half tables. Your bid?
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Posted 2023-April-19, 02:02

3 shows approximately this, would like a little bit more but wasn't dealt it
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Posted 2023-April-19, 02:33

View PostCyberyeti, on 2023-April-19, 02:02, said:

3 shows approximately this, would like a little bit more but wasn't dealt it


I would like a bit more if in second seat. Looks fine as a fourth seat bid.
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Posted 2023-April-19, 07:18

I bid 3, felt 2 didn't do the hand justice. The auction proceeds:



Now what?
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Posted 2023-April-19, 07:42

We have a defensive hand and partner didn't bid 4 to show a good raise last round. I think double is fine, we likely won't make 5 unless partner has very good support.
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Posted 2023-April-19, 11:30

View PostDavidKok, on 2023-April-19, 07:42, said:

We have a defensive hand and partner didn't bid 4 to show a good raise last round. I think double is fine, we likely won't make 5 unless partner has very good support.


That makes me feel better. I doubled and this was the full deal:



As expected -650 was a bottom. The other two scores were 5= and 5-2. I thought they were sacrificing against our game, in reality it was the other way around.

FAIL

This and many other hands contributed to our grand final score of 30%, a record low for me.
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Posted 2023-April-19, 11:46

I'd expect partner to pull to 5 with that hand. Our defensive values are limited by a failure to double 2, and partner knows we are hoping to take a spade trick (or perhaps even two) and we will not.
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Posted 2023-April-20, 04:42

I was going to say 2 spades (without any thought) or 2NT (scrub that - wrong side)). Now reading the thread
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Posted 2023-April-20, 04:49

I agree with your bidding. Partner really needs to bid 5 as David says.
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Posted 2023-April-20, 05:20

I always like to test top-rated (AFAIK) Bridge software with some hands
Qplus 2/1 ended in 5 spades

EDIT apologies. West didn't pass in Qplus
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Posted 2023-April-21, 02:03



I'm probably resulting. B-)
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Posted 2023-April-21, 03:28

View Postblackshoe, on 2023-April-21, 02:03, said:



I'm probably resulting. B-)


If N bids 4, S will definitely bid 5.

My feeling when I first saw the post was that I was going to double 5 but I'm paying off if W is walking the dog rather than just being a bad player and taking the last guess.
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Posted 2023-April-21, 05:37

View PostCyberyeti, on 2023-April-21, 03:28, said:

If N bids 4, S will definitely bid 5.

My feeling when I first saw the post was that I was going to double 5 but I'm paying off if W is walking the dog rather than just being a bad player and taking the last guess.


West is one of my other monthly partners who I have never seen walk the dog before, so I assumed she was making a punt.

It has been said that if you never double a making contract, you aren't doubling often enough.
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Posted 2023-April-21, 05:39

View Postblackshoe, on 2023-April-21, 02:03, said:



I'm probably resulting. B-)


Why wouldn't North double 5?
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Posted 2023-April-21, 05:50

View PostAL78, on 2023-April-21, 05:39, said:

Why wouldn't North double 5?


I think S bids 5 even if he does.
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Posted 2023-April-21, 05:59

View Postthepossum, on 2023-April-20, 04:42, said:

I was going to say 2 spades (without any thought) or 2NT (scrub that - wrong side)). Now reading the thread

2 is not unreasonable IMHO, as said I would bid 3 or maybe double but I think it's close.
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Posted 2023-April-21, 08:50

View PostAL78, on 2023-April-21, 05:39, said:

Why wouldn't North double 5?


In a weak field, the folks holding your cards are passing 4, in which case doubling 5 is a nullo play - you already had a top if it goes down whether you double or not, but if it makes, doubling takes you from average to bottom.
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