[mike777]

British Bridge Magazine, June 2005
CAMROSE MATCH BRIDGE TOURNAMENT

I thought this hand raised a lot of interesting issues, hope you think so also.
Playing 2/1.

ALL VUL, IMPS

QT9
74
AKQ8543
7

S=W=N==E
P=1D=P=1H
P=2D=P=2S
P=?

1) What do you bid and why?
2) Would 2NT by east have been a one round force instead of 2S?
3A) Is 2S game force?
3B) If yes, what do you respond with AKXX=AXXXX=XX=XX
3C) If no, is 3D game force now by W?
4) What hand type do you think 3C should show by W?

[EricK]

1. I bid 4♦ to show the solid suit. Slam is likely
2. 2NT is natural and NF
3A. No, but you could play it as GF
3B. If GF you can simply raise to 3♦. You can raise to 3♦ anyway as opener won't have 4♠
3C. No.
4. This is FSF, primarily asking for a Club stop for 3NT.

Eric

[mcphee]

Some interesting questions posed.

1. I think I would raise S as I am known to not have 4 and 4S is possible
2. unless I have an agreement I would not treat 2NT as a one round F
3. (A) 2S is 100% game forcing for me
3. ( I would raise D as I consider 2S a GF and this hand does not fit that for me.
3. © no
4. I think 3C should show a partial C value Qx or Jxx suggestion to try 3N

[luke warm]

1. i would bid 3♦... this (hopefully) shows my solid suit, let's partner have a chance to rebid spades with a 5/6 hand, and is forcing... i will play in the moysian spade game if partner bids 4♦

2. i'd play 2nt as a game force

3a. yes (to me)

3b. 2nt (hiding the spades because i want that lead and if i bid them i'll get a club lead almost for sure)

3c. n/a

4. any 2(3)=2(1)=6(7) hand that is worried about clubs

[hrothgar]

mike777, on Jun 19 2005, 04:17 PM, said:

ALL VUL, IMPS

QT9
74
AKQ8543
7

S=W=N==E
P=1D=P=1H
P=2D=P=2S
P=?

1) What do you bid and why?
2) Would 2NT by east have been a one round force instead of 2S?
3A) Is 2S game force?
3B) If yes, what do you respond with AKXX=AXXXX=XX=XX
3C) If no, is 3D game force now by W?
4) What hand type do you think 3C should show by W?

1. I bid 3♠. Show support with support...

2. 2NT is not forcing, however, it is constructive

3A 2♠ is game forcing
3B With the hand in question, I'd rebid 3♣
3C. See A

4. See 3B

[pbleighton]

1) What do you bid and why?
3D, because of the self-sufficient suit. 3S is close. If my hearts and spades were reversed, I would bid 3H. As it is, pd is very unlikely to have 5 spades, so I show my big suit instead. If my hand was a bit stronger, I would bid 4D, GF.

2) Would 2NT by east have been a one round force instead of 2S?
No.

3A) Is 2S game force?
No.
3B) If yes, what do you respond with AKXX=AXXXX=XX=XX
3C) If no, is 3D game force now by W?
No.

4) What hand type do you think 3C should show by W?
4sf to game, asking for a club stopper for 3NT.

Peter

[pclayton]

mike777, on Jun 19 2005, 05:17 AM, said:

2) Would 2NT by east have been a one round force instead of 2S?

No - its just invitational.

3A) Is 2S game force?

Usually, but discuss it with your pard.

3B) If yes, what do you respond with AKXX=AXXXX=XX=XX

3♦. Declarer denies 4♠'s, so there isn't a lot of point in showing the spades, except as a stopper for NT.

3C) If no, is 3D game force now by W?

If 2♠ isn't a game force by East, then 3♦ cannot be forcing.

4) What hand type do you think 3C should show by W?

Its ambiguous, but it sets up a force through 4♦, although it should be an anti-positional club stopper, or even a partial club stop.

1) What do you bid and why?

Probably 3♠. If pard has a soft minimum GF I want to play 3N with if responder has a club stop. Hopefully he has at least 1♦!

*** As footnote, refer to New Suit Invitational. 2♠ would start invitational sequences, and 2N, 3♣, 3♦ and 3♥ are all forcing.

Happy Fathers Day all.

[P_Marlowe]

1) 3D, of course the hand would have qualified for a 3NT opening
bid, but than this would be no problem
2) No
3A) No
3B)
3C) No
4) The actual hand, but a King stronger would certainly qualify

Marlowe

[luis]

1) What do you bid and why?

I bid 3♣ I can't bid 2NT and 3♣ is teh cheapest bid I have.

2) Would 2NT by east have been a one round force instead of 2S?

No, 2NT is not forcing to me

3A) Is 2S game force?

Yes

3B) If yes, what do you respond with AKXX=AXXXX=XX=XX

2NT

4) What hand type do you think 3C should show by W?

This one :-)

[Winstonm]

mike777, on Jun 19 2005, 08:17 AM, said:

British Bridge Magazine, June 2005
CAMROSE MATCH BRIDGE TOURNAMENT

I thought this hand raised a lot of interesting issues, hope you think so also.
Playing 2/1.

ALL VUL, IMPS

QT9
74
AKQ8543
7

S=W=N==E
P=1D=P=1H
P=2D=P=2S
P=?

1) What do you bid and why?  (3D.  Emphasize the reason for opening without bypassing 3N.  2S created a game force.)
2) Would 2NT by east have been a one round force instead of 2S?  (No)
3A) Is 2S game force?  (Yes)
3B) If yes, what do you respond with AKXX=AXXXX=XX=XX (2N)
3C) If no, is  3D game force now by W? (N/A)
4) What hand type do you think 3C should show by W? (2263, 1273, 1273 or similar)

For what it's worth:

[JSilver]

I hope no one minds if I don't respond to the questions in order. 2♠ is game forcing for me. 2NT would be invitational, and I'd bid 3♦ with the 4-5-2-2 11-count. Since partner has forced game, I'll try to make the most descriptive bid available while conserving space, as it's unclear where we belong. So I'd prefer 3♦ to 3♠. Then I can find out if partner has more major cards than he's already shown. 3♣would show 6-4 minors. If I had that shape and partner is 4-5-0-4, we may well belong in clubs.

[mike777]

5D

3S=Soloway/lawrence/Sabine/Rigal choice. I thought 3s kept 3nt in the picture but made slam harder. If we have slam it will be an underpoint slam so keeping 3nt in the picture seems to be very practical winning bridge.

3D=Kokish/Hacket/Bird/Silver choice. Not sure if 3D is forcing.

4D=Rosen/Burn/McGowan/Liggins choice. 4D must be forcing, goes past 3nt but is 4nt blackwood or to play? If playing kickback is 4H RKC or to play with long hearts? What a headache, rather just avoid the whole issue and discuss later at the bar.

3C=Robson/Kehela/Armstrong/Dhondy(I open 3nt) choice. As many said, the dreaded fourth suit, who knows where we are going.

4C=Couch/Kokish choice. Eric said it best, bid this with someone who will still love you in the morning.

5D=Wolffee choice. I also choose 5D. At least we are in game and avoid the headache of confusing game/invite choices or what is RKC. Assuming 2S was not game force and partner has extras, she may have enough outside controls to blast to 6D or 6NT once I blast to game across an invite hand.

[luke warm]

at least we're all in good company... btw, 3♦ has to be forcing if 2♠ is a game force (which imo it should be)

[mike777]

luke warm, on Jun 19 2005, 02:55 PM, said:

at least we're all in good company... btw, 3♦ has to be forcing if 2♠ is a game force (which imo it should be)

The more I think about this hand the more my head aches.

NOT REALLY JIMMY.

BTW this hand is somewhere in the BBO vugraph archives I assume. Camrose, England verus Northern Ireland.

Many top class players play 2s as forcing to game unless opener rebids 2nt. Others play it forcing to game unless opener rebids 2nt or 3d. Others play 2s as only one round force.

[luke warm]

mike777, on Jun 19 2005, 03:04 PM, said:

luke warm, on Jun 19 2005, 02:55 PM, said:

at least we're all in good company... btw, 3♦ has to be forcing if 2♠ is a game force (which imo it should be)

The more I think about this hand the more my head aches.

NOT REALLY JIMMY.

BTW this hand is somewhere in the BBO vugraph archives I assume. Camrose, England verus Northern Ireland.

Many top class players play 2s as forcing to game unless opener rebids 2nt. Others play it forcing to game unless opener rebids 2nt or 3d. Others play 2s as only one round force.

i understand that... and given the exceptions, i agree... i was simply saying that *if* 2♠ is a game force, 3♦ is forcing by definition

[Fluffy]

Of course 3♣ now is natural, as 100% bids from opener are unless agreed otherwise (and seems you didn't), since you denied 4 ♣ p`revious round, it shows 3 very good cards (K10x at least, normally something like KQ9).

Now to the other questions:

1. 3♦.
2. 2NT is limit bid.
3A. Its a reverse, so its game forcing.
3B. 2♠ since I have GF values?, if you don't think 5 controls are opening values then 2NT.
3C. We are inGF after 2♠.
4. Answered first.