[dickiegera]

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Playing inverted minors what should 4♣ show and what should 4NT show/ask?


Thank you

[Stephen Tu]

Depends totally on partnership agreements. Normally I would play 4nt as natural quantitative, 4c as keycard minorwood (unless I agreed kickback).
It also depends somewhat on what 2nt shows, is this non-forcing 12-13, forcing unlimited, etc., which is also up to agreements.

[Cyberyeti]

Depends what 2N shows, but I'd have thought without agreement if 2N was a weak notrump 4♣ or 4♦ should ask aces and 4N should be quantitative.

[spotlight7]

dickiegera, on 2019-April-25, 16:16, said:

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Playing inverted minors what should 4♣ show and what should 4NT show/ask?


Thank you

Without other agreements, I like to use jump raise to suggest partner ask for keycards.


I also strongly suggest Kickback. Bidding one above the trump suit at the 4 level is keycard.


You might also try narrowing the opening ranges. 1m-2m-bidding the next step shows a min. hand

Bidding two steps up is a GF.

[Vampyr]

Stephen Tu, on 2019-April-25, 17:16, said:

Depends totally on partnership agreements. Normally I would play 4nt as natural quantitative, 4c as keycard minorwood (unless I agreed kickback).
It also depends somewhat on what 2nt shows, is this non-forcing 12-13, forcing unlimited, etc., which is also up to agreements.

I do this too, but my 2NT rebid is a strong NT.

[msjennifer]

dickiegera, on 2019-April-25, 16:16, said:

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Playing inverted minors what should 4♣ show and what should 4NT show/ask?


Thank you

Sir,We play 4C as asking opener to cue bid up-the-line.4D as RKCB .4NT is quantitative.We use exactly the same bids for 1D-2D-2NT sequence.THANKS.

[msjennifer]

Vampyr, on 2019-April-25, 19:59, said:

I do this too, but my 2NT rebid is a strong NT.

Sir,in that case how does the opener rebid with KQx-QJx-AJx-xxxx after 1C-2C ? Does he bid 3C ? Or is the hand opened 1NT(weak)_

[Cyberyeti]

First question I should have asked, is the inverted minor GF ? and can it conceal 4M ?

[etha]

http://squeezingthed...ted-minors.html

[dickiegera]

Cyberyeti, on 2019-April-26, 04:36, said:

First question I should have asked, is the inverted minor GF ? and can it conceal 4M ?

Forcing to 3♣ and denies 4 card M

[Vampyr]

msjennifer, on 2019-April-26, 01:25, said:

Sir,in that case how does the opener rebid with KQx-QJx-AJx-xxxx after 1C-2C ? Does he bid 3C ? Or is the hand opened 1NT(weak)_

The latter.

[pes_6]

Although I don't know exactly what mean your rebid 2nt, my opinion is that 4nt is RKC for ♣ (second sequence), and (first sequence) 4♣ take more place for cue-bidding to the farthest 5♣ if cue-bidding dosen't show good shape for slam.

[Stephen Tu]

pes_6, on 2019-April-26, 23:18, said:

Although I don't know exactly what mean your rebid 2nt, my opinion is that 4nt is RKC for ♣ (second sequence), and (first sequence) 4♣ take more place for cue-bidding to the farthest 5♣ if cue-bidding dosen't show good shape for slam.

4nt as RKC for clubs sucks because it's just too high for safety with a lot of hands; if partner responds above 5c you are in slam. Which is why people use minorwood/kickback. Cue bidding can be started at the 3 level if you aren't using kickback.

[Flinthos]

dickiegera, on 2019-April-25, 16:16, said:

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Playing inverted minors what should 4♣ show and what should 4NT show/ask?


Thank you

Despite the strength of 2NT (I prefer (11)12-14 balanced FF1R),I would play 4♣ as slam-going in clubs. Not asking partner for keycards but simply setting up a forcing auction and letting partner show his controls. I believe it's unnecessary to have a bid to ask for aces this early on in the auction.

Furthermore, I would play 4NT as quantitative.

[Vampyr]

Flinthos, on 2019-April-27, 09:16, said:

Despite the strength of 2NT (I prefer (11)12-14 balanced FF1R),I would play 4♣ as slam-going in clubs. Not asking partner for keycards but simply setting up a forcing auction and letting partner show his controls. I believe it's unnecessary to have a bid to ask for aces this early on in the auction.

Early? You are at the four level.