JFK papers Coup d'etat or coup de grace?
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Posted 2017-October-27, 17:17
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Posted 2017-October-27, 20:56
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Posted 2017-October-27, 23:33
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Posted 2017-October-28, 03:49
jjbrr, on 2017-October-27, 23:33, said:
Thanks for that jjbrr. Interesting reading. I've learnt so much more about USA intelligence, foreign policy and US domestic politics thanks to BBO forum members now that I've retired, and having the internet at my fingertips lets me access information that is rarely seen in the British press.
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Posted 2017-October-28, 06:05
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Posted 2017-October-28, 06:53
i just don't want to live my life concerned that the US government is out to get us, even if they are. call me a good little sheep maybe, but i have more important things to spend my life worrying about.
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Posted 2017-October-28, 08:25
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Posted 2017-October-28, 09:23
jjbrr, on 2017-October-28, 06:53, said:
i just don't want to live my life concerned that the US government is out to get us, even if they are. call me a good little sheep maybe, but i have more important things to spend my life worrying about.
A point to keep in mind is the cultural aspects of the times when incidents occurred. 1963 was a much different time culturally than 2001; during the former, there was much greater trust of the actions of the government.
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Posted 2017-October-28, 10:39
jjbrr, on 2017-October-28, 06:53, said:
i just don't want to live my life concerned that the US government is out to get us, even if they are. call me a good little sheep maybe, but i have more important things to spend my life worrying about.
I am pretty much in your corner on this. There have always been some stupid ideas floated, and it can get scary that some of them actually get as far as they get. It's a long way from there to assassinating president. The problem I have with a lot of the conspiracy theorists is not so unlike the problems that I have with many who are convinced of this or that possible, but unlikely, explanation of whatever. They have read a lot, they have thought a lot, and they really believe it. Sometimes there really is something deeply sinister and hidden going on, usually there isn't, and to sort out which is which requires more devotion to thi than I am able to muster. At the time JFK was shot, I was in in graduate school preparing for qualifying exams, I had a young child, my finances were such that I could not afford a car, and so on. Later, when Rush to Judment came out, I read it. I thought mark lane, the author, had some good points about the lack of care in the Warren Commission report, but it also seemed that his own ideas were very far fetched. It's the old story that it is much easier to find fault with what someone else has done than it is to come up with something coherent yourself. Pretty much I decided that I hope someone figures this all out and then I went back to my own life.
Some of the quoted statements seem stupid. Again I am not going to track everything down, but apparently there were high up people speaking of how important it was to reassure Americans that there was no conspiracy. Indeed this is importantt, but the way to do that is to do a careful and thorough job of accounting for just exactly what happened. "This is important, we are going to take our time and get it right" is the way to assure people that what is said is the same, or in all important respects the same, as what is true. Telling the commission that they have to come up with a soothing report is not in fact the way to sooth anyone. This advice applies to many things, but unfortunately is often ignored.
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Posted 2017-October-28, 13:35
i think we all sort of have a general impression that these drugs can perform miracles in treating or mitigating symptoms of some very scary and destructive diseases and disorders.
i would never advocate for unethical experimentation, but i feel very, very strongly that science needs to do more to study the effects of these things on the human brain.
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Posted 2017-October-28, 14:08
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Posted 2017-November-23, 13:57