[RedSpawn]

http://www.bbc.com/n...e-east-40336501

And the Qatar crisis continues and the media still is begging the question... why...which means no one is talking about the energy $ angle....

https://www.msn.com/...isis/ar-BBCXwGN

And they have almost solved the Qatar media hack mystery...no new surprises

[mike777]

MrAce, on 2017-June-08, 20:32, said:

In middle east region everything that happens is because of an economical war between Russia and USA. Most of you know that already but i will try to explain things from a different point of view, much more different than you are used to hear from CNN, Fox or Msnbc. In order to do that I will give a summary of how things work. If you believe everything going on there is mostly due to religions, regimes, ideas and ethnic groups and/or because of international terror, you may as well stop reading here.

US Economy: Us economy depends on the existence of US dollar and its value. Existence and value of US dollar depends on the money system in the world to be indexed to US dollar. And in order for world money system to be indexed to US dollar, number one energy source (oil) has to be valued by US $ currency. So the US dollar is no more just a paper money currency but also and mainly a "oildollar" currency. EVERYTHING that threatens this is a HUGE threat for USA that needs to be taken care of immediately. In addition to this, the number 2 energy source, natural gas, a serious alternative for energy source oil, should not be in any way shape or form be out of control of USA. This is also a very big threat that needs to be dealt with for USA.


Russian Economy: Russia has the biggest natural gas reserves in the world. And their economy relies on the value that they will receive from the sale of this energy source. And the value they will get from this energy source relies on having a monopoly on natural gas market and their ability to determine the price by themselves. And their ability to decide the price of their product relies on their ability to control other 2 natural gas providers which are IRAN and QATAR!

Now let's start;

Russia + Iran + Qatar holds 55% of world's natural gas reserves while USA has only 5%. Iran has been kept out of market for a long time now by international sanctions of US and its allies. That made QATAR number 2 provider of natural gas in the world. USA is far from being competitor, considering their reserves and their distance from the rich clients, such as European and Asian customers. But USA, has to be in this game in order to prevent Russia + Iran + Qatar and the energy source they have, to interfere with their "oildollar" currency which directly affects US economy and US power. But how will USA do this? Fasten your seat belts and take a brief and fast memory trip in your head and remember things that happened in last couple decades....

As I said above, OIL is being sold on US $ currency. There is NO other way of doing it. Anyone who tried or tries alternative currency faces immediately with so called "Democracy Operation" of USA. Although there are so many countries who asked USA for help and demanded democracy, USA only made these "Democracy Operations" to countries whose rulers seek alternative currency. ALL of the OIL providing countries are either close friend or ally or defense partner of USA. They have to be. US makes defense deals and partnership agreements with those countries and assure that they will protect them and sell them guns and weapons etc. Who are they protecting them from? In fact USA is protecting them from USA. Because ANYONE, ANY COUNTRY who rejects this type of deal(s) with USA faces an immediate "Democracy Operations" ! So the "oildollar" currency keeps USA and its economy in good shape. HOWEVER.....

Very fast growing natural gas demand and its pricing is EXTREMELY important for USA. Knowing that they do not have enough reserves and geographical disadvantage to the clients, the threat of natural gas and its market and its effects on "oildollar" currency is a NIGHTMARE for USA for while now. Russia + Iran + Qatar are not countries that USA can intimidate as they did to others. So they had to do something about it.

Let's start with IRAN; a country that insisted on selling their oil out of "oildollar" currency. As I said this is a NO NO for USA. Also they hold the #2 reserves of natural gas in the world. They do not want to make deals with USA. So what should USA do about IRAN? Iran needs to be isolated from the world! I will not bug you guys with details that you already know that happened in last 3-4 decades.

RUSSIA; I will not bother to list the threats of Russia and their economy for USA. It would be a very long list. But in order to weaken Russian economy, USA needs to weaken their income. In order to do that USA needed to drop the prices of OIL. When oil prices go down, the competitor energy source, natural gas prices also has to drop otherwise they lose their market to oil. Also, the drop in oil prices will affect the countries who made long term natural gas deals with Russia, such as Turkey and EU nations. Which pushes them to reconsider their deals with Russia.

Here the real story and strategy of USA begins.

QATAR and its natural gas reserves can be alternative for Turkish and European market. But natural gas can not be transported by ships like oil does. They need a pipeline for this. But there are multiple problems that needs to be taken care of for a pipeline to be built.

• Cost of the project, which varies depending on the length and through which countries it will go. Billions of $.
• Cost of expropriation in countries that it will go through
• Cost of investments, bribery to local politicians etc etc...
• Security of pipeline. In order to secure a pipeline they need countries on the pipeline path who assures the security of the pipeline.***

So USA and its allies decide to built a pipeline that goes through Syria and Turkey and delivered to Europe! Qatar who sells the natural gas, Syria and Turkey and all those who will do the job and make a lot of money are happy. USA is happy because this will hit Russia hard. Assad is called a good friend and democratic leader of Syria!! Turkey suddenly forgets the past and becomes close with Syria (not long time ago) Only one is not happy in this equation, in fact this is a nightmare for them, is Russia!

Russia takes stage at this point. Suddenly, out of nowhere Assad rejects the project and the pipeline that comes from QATAR and decides to partner with Russia and Iran and allow them to built a pipeline for Iran natural gas to be delivered to Mediterranean!!! Suddenly Assad is not the "good friend" anymore. Suddenly he is not the "democratic leader of Syria" anymore for USA and its allies, especially for Turkey! The nightmare of Russia suddenly becomes the nightmare of USA!! Now it becomes something for Russians to smile and USA, Turkey, Qatar to be mad!

So there is only one way for USA to prevent this from happening! Which is to make sure that the pipeline Russians and Iran planning to built will not be a safe and reliable pipeline! Suddenly so called terrorist groups start to pop up like mushrooms in the region!! ISIS, Al-Nusra, Kurds, PKK and this and that...Beheading and all sorts of violence. .OMG nobody know where they came from except the kurds who were always there!! Who finances them? Where do they get all these training and equipment and weapons? Suddenly western world pretend like they started to see the human right violations in Syria! In order to make pipeline insecure, there should not be a country on its path, such as Syria who can assure the security. Suddenly Syria explodes!! Bloodshed and all, good brother Assad short time ago is now called a "dictator" and no more "democratic leader of Syria!! This way USA cuts the path of the pipeline! Migration of people from Syria is justified! After all it is not the economical war that ruined the life of so many innocent people, it was not the economical war that destroyed their houses, lives, jobs but a dictator!!

This is where the movie CNN, Fox and other European media wants us to watch begins. Fanatic muslims, kurds, shia, sunni, anti semantic, democracy defenders, ethnic fights and violence, bombings etc etc. so people who watch the movie justifies the operations against these suddenly popped up violence! USA needs to justify the operations and in order to do that people in this region should be shown as a great enemy to American people! After all, weren't those 11 Vahabis who decided out of no where to declare Jihad on #1 power in the world and attacked them on 9/11? So many people lose their lives having little or no clue whatsoever who actually hit them! What hit them is actually just an economical war and the countries who wants to lead the path of the project and the security of the supply. Media and politicians start beating the air with anger and humanitarian speeches against so called "terrorism" "extremists" "radical groups". People watch this 3rd class movie holding their breath!

After Syria being intentionally put in chaos, Russia had to interfere. Russians first get in to an amazing diplomacy traffic with countries who are related to this project! But they need to have a leverage on Turkey and Turkey jumps on bait like a stupid bass jumps on steel hook! Russian bomber being shot down. Russia acts gentle on Turkey afterwards. Then USA gets annoyed with this Russia and Turkey relations which started to improve suddenly. Russian ambassador gets shot, and so called coup attempt that was triggered from PA USA and all....

You may of course wonder Qatar and why it has been diplomatically isolated by its all neighbors. Why suddenly USA decided Qatar is the #1 threat in terrorism? Russia, knowing that Qatar lost its west pipeline project, decides to be pd with Qatar instead of competing with them! In last month of 2016, 19.5% share of ROSNEFT, which is the biggest government controlled oil company of Russia, is sold to a consortium that has national Qatar funds in it for 10.5 Billion €. Basically Qatar becomes partner of Russia in this sector and betrays USA. What else could USA do other than SUDDENLY declaring QATAR such a big threat for the world!

Thanks for reading if you made this far, I know it was a long analysis!

Extremely cheap energy is certainly a world changer. With extremely cheap energy you have unlimited extremely cheap drinking water. Combine the two you have unlimited extremely cheap food.

Luckily for us we have a ready made source of energy sitting in outer space. Over the past 20 years technology has brought this energy source at a reduced cost to such remote places as sub Sahara Africa which now has low cost COLD drinking water. Further technological innovation is still needed to bring the cost of this energy down to a price close to zero.

One question to analyze is just how fast is the nanotechnology that drives innovations in solar power progressing? Is it growing at a linear or an exponential rate?

[RedSpawn]

mike777, on 2017-June-22, 11:06, said:

Extremely cheap energy is certainly a world changer. With extremely cheap energy you have unlimited extremely cheap drinking water. Combine the two you have unlimited extremely cheap food.

Luckily for us we have a ready made source of energy sitting in outer space. Over the past 20 years technology has brought this energy source at a reduced cost to such remote places as sub Sahara Africa which now has low cost COLD drinking water. Further technological innovation is still needed to bring the cost of this energy down to a price close to zero.

One question to analyze is just how fast is the nanotechnology that drives innovations in solar power progressing? Is it growing at a linear or an exponential rate?

On one side of the equation you have the problem, "Today, 97 percent of transportation fuel is petroleum based." http://thehill.com/b...ig-oil-monopoly

On the other side of the equation you have the US petrodollar issue, http://faculty.georg...trod/define.htm

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Petrodollar surpluses may also be defined as the net U.S. dollars earned from the sale of oil that are in excess of internal development needs. Petrodollar surpluses, accrued in the process of converting subsoil wealth into an internal income-generating capital stock, refers to oil production that exceeds such needs but is transformed into monetary units.

Since petrodollars and petrodollar surpluses are by definition denominated in U.S. dollars, then purchasing power is dependent on the U.S. rate of inflation and the rate at which the U.S. dollar is exchanged (whenever there is need for convertibility) by other currencies in international money markets. It follows that whenever economic or other factors affect the U.S. dollar, petrodollars will be affected to the same magnitude. The link, therefore, between the U.S. dollar and petrodollar surpluses, in particular, has significant economic, political, and other implications.

First, the placement of petrodollar surpluses of the Arab oil exporting nations in the United States may be regarded politically as hostage capital. In the event of a major political conflict between the United States and an Arab oil-exporting nation, the former with all its military power can confiscate or freeze these assets or otherwise limit their use. It can impose special regulations or at least use regulations for a time, in order to attain certain political, economic, or other goals. It may be argued that such actions are un-American, since they are a direct violation of the sacred principles of capitalism and economic freedom. Nevertheless, the U.S. government resorted to such weapons twice in the l980s against Iranian and Libyan assets. It follows, therefore, that governments placing their petrodollar surpluses in the United States may lose part of their economic and political independence. Consequently, the more petrodollar surpluses are placed in the United States by a certain oil-exporting nation, the less independent such a nation becomes.

Second, an oil-exporting country can have petrodollar surpluses only if its absorptive capacity is less than its earnings from the sale of oil for any particular period of time. It follows, therefore, that petrodollar surpluses depend on oil prices, quantities exported, and the nation's absorptive capacity.

Third, petrodollar surpluses do not represent real wealth but rather are a vehicle by which the latter can be acquired. If kept in liquid form such as paper dollars, their purchasing power will gradually be eroded by inflation and adverse foreign exchange rates. Both are affected in the United States by a host of variables, for example, money supply, interest rates, marginal productivity, stage of a business cycle, and balance-of-payments deficit. Also a factor is U.S. monetary and fiscal policy which in turn affects some of these variables. Furthermore, changes in the U.S. laws and regulations have an impact on the economic variables, which may affect inflation rates and foreign exchange rates. Thus, the purchasing power of liquid petrodollar surpluses belonging, for example, to Arab oil-exporting nations is determined by a complicated set of variables whose trends and quantities are a function of' factors that are not in the control of these countries.

Then, you have billionaires who can control Big Business in oil industries who can influence U.S. policy out of Washington D.C.
https://www.forbes.c...s/#28f6b3837df5

You can rest assured that plenty of career politicians cater to constituents whose assets total at least 10 figures in front of the decimal point.

We need cheap clean energy NOW to change this dynamic!

[RedSpawn]

http://ftmdaily.com/...odollar-system/

This is an excellent long-length explanation of monetary hegemony and the rise and potential fall of the US Petrodollar system.

Let me know what you think. By the way, I am not advocating for the fall of the Petrodollar system, but its explanation of how and why the system was set up has been far more intriguing than what the mainstream news media has presented.

It explains our involvement in the Middle East from the financial angle (which is part of the narrative that is unspoken )

[mike777]

I see I am more optimistic than other posters when it comes to the growth rate of nanotechnology innovation and how fast solar power and related issues such as storage and transmission will come down in cost and grab market share from carbon based energy sources.

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On a somewhat related topic, not sure when we might have a carbon tax here in America but at least lets agree to raise the gasoline tax with oil prices so low here in America.

[RedSpawn]

mike777, on 2017-June-22, 12:30, said:

I see I am more optimistic than other posters when it comes to the growth rate of nanotechnology innovation and how fast solar power and related issues such as storage and transmission will come down in cost and grab market share from carbon based energy sources.

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On a somewhat related topic, not sure when we might have a carbon tax here in America but at least lets agree to raise the gasoline tax with oil prices so low here in America.

https://www.theguard...-fuel-companies

If US taxpayers are subsidizing the world's biggest fossil fuels companies, we are already paying an "indirect" tax on the price of oil that is refined to make the gasoline we buy at the pump. I am sure barmar would agree that an increased add-on gasoline tax per gallon and "tax credits" for oil industries are the same tax in a different form.

Uncle Sam is a slick cat.

[RedSpawn]

https://www.theguard...plomatic-crisis

There is too much emphasis on destroying freedom of the press in Qatar. Governments who can't control the propaganda narrative through a complicit and compromised fourth estate will ask for the destruction of said media.

Why? Why? Tell them that its human nature....

[RedSpawn]

http://www.thenation...e-uae-and-egypt

Are these reasonable demands of Qatar?

1. Curb diplomatic ties with Iran and close its diplomatic missions there. Expel members of Iran’s Revolutionary Guard from Qatar and cut off any joint military cooperation with Iran. Only trade and commerce with Iran that complies with US and international sanctions will be permitted.

2. Sever all ties to terrorist organisations, specifically the Muslim Brotherhood, ISIL, Al Qaeda, and Hizbollah. Formally declare those entities as terrorist groups.

3. Shut down Al Jazeera and its affiliate stations.

4. Shut down news outlets that Qatar funds, directly and indirectly, including Arabi21, Rassd, Al Araby Al Jadeed and Middle East Eye.

5. Immediately terminate the Turkish military presence currently in Qatar and end any joint military cooperation with Turkey inside Qatar.

6. Stop all means of funding for individuals, groups or organisations that have been designated as terrorists by Saudi Arabia, the UAE, Egypt, Bahrain, the US and other countries.

7. Hand over terrorist figures and wanted individuals from Saudi Arabia, the UAE, Egypt and Bahrain to their countries of origin. Freeze their assets, and provide any desired information about their residency, movements and finances.

8. End interference in sovereign countries’ internal affairs. Stop granting citizenship to wanted nationals from Saudi Arabia, the UAE, Egypt and Bahrain. Revoke Qatari citizenship for existing nationals where such citizenship violates those countries’ laws.

9. Stop all contacts with the political opposition in Saudi Arabia, the UAE, Egypt and Bahrain. Hand over all files detailing Qatar’s prior contacts with and support for those opposition groups.

10. Pay reparations and compensation for loss of life and other, financial losses caused by Qatar’s policies in recent years. The sum will be determined in coordination with Qatar.

11. Align itself with the other Gulf and Arab countries militarily, politically, socially and economically, as well as on economic matters, in line with an agreement reached with Saudi Arabia in 2014.

12. Agree to all the demands within 10 days of it being submitted to Qatar, or the list becomes invalid. The document doesn’t specify what the countries will do if Qatar refuses to comply.

13. Consent to monthly audits for the first year after agreeing to the demands, then once per quarter during the second year. For the following 10 years, Qatar would be monitored annually for compliance.

[Zelandakh]

RedSpawn, on 2017-June-27, 17:32, said:

Are these reasonable demands of Qatar?

No less reasonable than Iran demanding from the USA:-
reparations from 1953 as well as other incursions in the Middle East
major changes in foreign policy
immediate withdrawal of all special forces training "undesirable" groups (undesirable defined by Iran naturally)
cessation of providing arms to Saudi Arabia and other "oppressive" regimes (oppressive similarly defined by Iran)
the shutting down of fake news sites such as Breitbart
termination of "illegal" actions against Iranian and other Muslim citizens within the USA and on its borders (guess who defines illegal)
agreement of all points within 10 days
consent to audits for compliance - monthly for the first year, once per quarter for the second and annually thereafter

I could certainly expand the 8 demands above to 13 if desired but I think this is enough to illustrate the point. #3, #5, #11, #12 and #13 are particularly unreasonable. My prediction is that Qatar will basically ignore this list unless the US backs it. And if the USA does back it as it stands, expect a lot of negative reaction from many different quarters - this would essentially be a complete divorce from the pretence of America acting as a neutral police force for freedom on the international stage.

[RedSpawn]

Zelandakh, on 2017-June-28, 04:23, said:

No less reasonable than Iran demanding from the USA:-
reparations from 1953 as well as other incursions in the Middle East
major changes in foreign policy
immediate withdrawal of all special forces training "undesirable" groups (undesirable defined by Iran naturally)
cessation of providing arms to Saudi Arabia and other "oppressive" regimes (oppressive similarly defined by Iran)
the shutting down of fake news sites such as Breitbart
termination of "illegal" actions against Iranian and other Muslim citizens within the USA and on its borders (guess who defines illegal)
agreement of all points within 10 days
consent to audits for compliance - monthly for the first year, once per quarter for the second and annually thereafter

I could certainly expand the 8 demands above to 13 if desired but I think this is enough to illustrate the point. #3, #5, #11, #12 and #13 are particularly unreasonable. My prediction is that Qatar will basically ignore this list unless the US backs it. And if the USA does back it as it stands, expect a lot of negative reaction from many different quarters - this would essentially be a complete divorce from the pretence of America acting as a neutral police force for freedom on the international stage.

Very well stated! Point taken.

[Wackojack]

MrAce, on 2017-June-09, 04:39, said:

Here is the "bloody dictator" Assad!! He sure looks like having less fear than democratic US presidents when walking among his own people!


https://www.youtube....eature=youtu.be

Looks like a carefully choreographed propaganda exercise to me, along with the sweet music.

To the main theme: Where is this news source coming from? I have seen Noam Chomsky, John Pilger and others I have seen giving roughly this thesis in the mainstream media. I would like to see your thesis given proper scrutiny, before any analysis.

[Al_U_Card]

Wackojack, on 2017-June-30, 14:46, said:

Looks like a carefully choreographed propaganda exercise to me, along with the sweet music.

To the main theme: Where is this news source coming from? I have seen Noam Chomsky, John Pilger and others I have seen giving roughly this thesis in the mainstream media. I would like to see your thesis given proper scrutiny, before any analysis.

Back upthread I posted a Canadian journalist's on-site report and analysis. Assad, like Castro etc. appears to be preferred to other unknown or imagined rulers.

[RedSpawn]

http://www.dailymail...is-meeting.html

And the crisis continues...

[Zelandakh]

RedSpawn, on 2017-July-05, 05:49, said:

And the crisis continues...

This was simply the forced response to the opening gambit as already mentioned further up the thread. Perhaps we will find out with the next move what the real game is going to be.

[RedSpawn]

https://www.theatlan...duction/532788/

Another financial angle I didn't consider at first glance....hmmmm. I didn't know the U.S. is largest supplier of helium and then followed by Qatar.

[RedSpawn]

https://www.foreignp...a-intervention/

Gaddafi died over this?

[Al_U_Card]

RedSpawn, on 2017-August-05, 01:58, said:

https://www.foreignp...a-intervention/

Gaddafi died over this?

That motive has been known for some time. The gold Dinar was a slap in the face of the Banksters so they "JFKayoed" Gaddafi.

[RedSpawn]

Al_U_Card, on 2017-August-05, 05:57, said:

That motive has been known for some time. The gold Dinar was a slap in the face of the Banksters so they "JFKayoed" Gaddafi.

Sorry, but I am just waking up over here from all of the digital propaganda I was being spoon fed. I didn't know the rabbit hole was THIS deep!

Heck. I didn't even know this was potentially one of the precious jewel e-mails from the Clinton e-mail server scandal.

https://wikileaks.or...s/emailid/12659 ===> WIKILEAKS puts Fake News to shame! I haven't seen them retract a news release yet.

Our news networks need to drop the fluff journalism and get on the case like Magnum P.I., FBI. . .looking for the man with the reason why!

[RedSpawn]

A beautiful graphic of what you were saying about our monetary hegemony.

[RedSpawn]

Can someone fact-check this one. I know two of these captions to be true, but I am not as familiar with the other ones.

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If Uncle Sam tells you it's not about the oil, always double check that narrative.

Source: http://www.telegraph...ese-attack.html