[cherdano]

In what has been described as a strong event in another post (Hi Paul! Sorry we didn't come across each other over the weekend.), all three declarers went down in the following contract. I am sure noone on BBF will!

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Lead ♥9.

[helene_t]

♣Q, if it holds or East covers there is no problem.

Assuming W wins and continues ♥, we cash ♦AKQ.

If ♦ don't break we hopefully can guess the clubs.

Edit: lol at me, guessing the club for three tricks (if both the first club finesse fails and diamonds are 4-1) only gives us 3+2+3 tricks so if the first club finesse fails and diamonds don't break and E has two entries to his hearts, we are down.

This post has been edited by helene_t: 2017-March-08, 05:19

[Kaitlyn S]

helene_t, on 2017-March-07, 18:31, said:

If ♦ don't break we hopefully can guess the clubs.

Why guess anything? Just duck a diamond. Barring 5-0, this gives you 2H, 5D, 1C. Say they play the second heart. Now play a diamond to dummy and run the CQ. If it wins, take your 9. If it loses or gets covered, you have your entries. I'll pay off to an unlikely construction that includes a four-card overcall and no raise by advancer.

EDIT: I realize today that this is complete garbage

[sfi]

Kaitlyn S, on 2017-March-07, 23:01, said:

Why guess anything? Just duck a diamond. Barring 5-0, this gives you 2H, 5D, 1C. Say they play the second heart. Now play a diamond to dummy and run the CQ. If it wins, take your 9. If it loses or gets covered, you have your entries. I'll pay off to an unlikely construction that includes a four-card overcall and no raise by advancer.

That is my line as well, but you're down 2 if the club finesse loses. 1 club, 1 diamond, 2 hearts and 2 spades.

I was merely thinking the club hook is more likely than the diamond break, which hardly seems worth the post. Haven't seen what I am missing though.

[alok c]

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[Tramticket]

alok c, on 2017-March-08, 01:18, said:

Assuming ♦ 4c(probability of 4c ♦ with West is more as East already shown 5c ♥) & ♣K with West (otherwise everybody will make it), ♦A, ♣Q which loses to ♣ K to West.Capture East's ♥J/10 & lead back ♥8. East can not return a ♥ ,♦, or a ♣.He is to lead back a ♠.They will score 2♠,♥ J/10 & ♣K.

Hasn't East got the Q♥ to cash as well? Aren't we losing two hearts, two spades and the king of clubs on this line?

[Cyberyeti]

You take the club finesse, if it wins, duck a diamond, if it loses, hope the diamonds break

[helene_t]

Cyberyeti, on 2017-March-08, 03:05, said:

You take the club finesse, if it wins, duck a diamond, if it loses, hope the diamonds break

Otherwise you still have the (small) chance that E has only one entry to the hearts. You lose two spades, a diamond and a club. If W switches to spades then they establish a spade trick for you, you have two hearts and three diamonds so you will have to hope for three club tricks.

[cherdano]

Cyberyeti, on 2017-March-08, 03:05, said:

You take the club finesse, if it wins, duck a diamond, if it loses, hope the diamonds break

I am sure you have the right thing in mind - but what do you do if the ♣Q is covered?

[alok c]

Tramticket, on 2017-March-08, 02:13, said:

Hasn't East got the Q♥ to cash as well? Aren't we losing two hearts, two spades and the king of clubs on this line?

Yes,somehow i thought ♥q was out.

[Cyberyeti]

cherdano, on 2017-March-08, 03:41, said:

I am sure you have the right thing in mind - but what do you do if the ♣Q is covered?

My intention was to win and play a diamond, I can't cope if W has 5♦ and splits, so I can afford to play diamonds from the top as I have a dummy entry with Q♣. I don't need to worry about the defence not playing hearts leaving me a trick short as if they don't force out A♥ or give me a spade I can afford to lose to 10♣ to establish the 8 with only 2♠, 1♦, 1♣ for the defence.

[helene_t]

cherdano, on 2017-March-08, 03:41, said:

I am sure you have the right thing in mind - but what do you do if the ♣Q is covered?

Cyberyeti, on 2017-March-08, 06:27, said:

My intention was to win and play a diamond, I can't cope if W has 5♦ and splits, so I can afford to play diamonds from the top as I have a dummy entry with Q♣. I don't need to worry about the defence not playing hearts leaving me a trick short as if they don't force out A♥ or give me a spade I can afford to lose to 10♣ to establish the 8 with only 2♠, 1♦, 1♣ for the defence.

If W wins the 4th diamond and returns a club, and you lose to ♣T also, you have already lost two clubs and diamond and you are going to lose two spades also.

[Cyberyeti]

helene_t, on 2017-March-08, 07:45, said:

If W wins the 4th diamond and returns a club, and you lose to ♣T also, you have already lost two clubs and diamond and you are going to lose two spades also.

No I haven't only one club, the first one went QKA

[helene_t]

Cyberyeti, on 2017-March-08, 08:23, said:

No I haven't only one club, the first one went QKA

lol yes, sorry

[rhm]

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[nige1]

cherdano, on 2017-March-07, 17:43, said:

In what has been described as a strong event in another post (Hi Paul! Sorry we didn't come across each other over the weekend.), all three declarers went down in the following contract. I am sure noone on BBF will!
Lead ♥9.

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I like CyperYeti's line...

• Win ♥K. Run ♣Q.
• If ♣Q loses, then you usually rely on a 3-2 ♦ break.
• If ♣Q wins, then duck a ♦, to cater for a 4-1 ♦ break.
• If RHO covers ♣Q, then win ♣A. Lead a ♦.
• If LHO plays low, than finesse ♦9.
• If LHO plays an honour, then duck. If LHO has 5 ♦s and RHO has the ♠ tops, then you should have the opportunity to finesse ♦9 later.

[Cyberyeti]

nige1, on 2017-March-09, 16:19, said:

I like CyperYeti's line...

• Win ♥K. Run ♣Q.
• If ♣Q loses, then you usually rely on a 3-2 ♦ break.
• If ♣Q wins, then duck a ♦, to cater for a 4-1 ♦ break.
• If RHO covers ♣Q, then win ♣A. Lead a ♦.
• If LHO plays low, than finesse ♦9.
• If LHO plays an honour, then duck. If LHO has 5 ♦s and RHO has the ♠ tops, then you should have the opportunity to finesse ♦9 later.

If LHO has 5♦ you have a horrendous guess if you duck, he plays a spade, are you playing the Q risking a disaster if the honours are split ?

If you don't play the Q, RHO ducks a spade to the Q on winning the first one establishing the suit while the diamonds still don't run.

This is why I gave up on the 5-0 break and taking the overtrick(s) if the diamonds were 3-2.

[nige1]

Cyberyeti, on 2017-March-09, 17:11, said:

If LHO has 5♦ you have a horrendous guess if you duck, he plays a spade, are you playing the Q risking a disaster if the honours are split ?
If you don't play the Q, RHO ducks a spade to the Q on winning the first one establishing the suit while the diamonds still don't run.
This is why I gave up on the 5-0 break and taking the overtrick(s) if the diamonds were 3-2.

Fair enough.
If RHO has both ♠ tops, LHO splits from 5 ♦s, and you cover in dummy, then you can play on ♣s, to make if LHO was dealt
5 ♣s, 4 ♣s, 3 ♣s, or doubleton ♣Tx.
e.g. when LHO was dealt ♠ x x x ♥ 9 ♦J T x x x- ♣ T x x x