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ATB - 800 vs Vul slam

Poll: ATB - 800 vs Vul slam (12 member(s) have cast votes)

Who contributed more to this bad result?

  1. All West (8 votes [66.67%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 66.67%

  2. More West (1 votes [8.33%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 8.33%

  3. About the same (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  4. More East (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  5. All East (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  6. No blame (3 votes [25.00%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 25.00%

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#1 User is offline   Phil 

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Posted 2016-January-27, 08:25



Thanks.
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Posted 2016-January-27, 09:21

Is michaels available? If so I definitely prefer that. Also as east I prefer to bid, the offense is better than the defense, and penalty passes are for when we don't have a fit.
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Posted 2016-January-27, 09:26

View Postbillw55, on 2016-January-27, 09:21, said:

Is michaels available? If so I definitely prefer that. Also as east I prefer to bid, the offense is better than the defense, and penalty passes are for when we don't have a fit.


Yes, 3 would be Michaels.
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Posted 2016-January-27, 09:35

I'd bid 3 Michaels for sure with this hand that needs little for slam. As for East, I think I'd pass the X for penalty and take the money, but perhaps this is misguided.
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Posted 2016-January-27, 10:02

View PostPhil, on 2016-January-27, 09:26, said:

Yes, 3 would be Michaels.

In that case I must give most responsibility to west. East's pass, while not my choice, is at least reasonable.
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Posted 2016-January-27, 10:42

Don't understand not using your bid to show 5-5 in the majors. Like, what's the plan over 2D from partner?
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Posted 2016-January-27, 10:53

yes the west hand's a cuebid, not a takeout double.

east's pass is clearly not obvious either, but i don't really have a problem with it. east can expect game to play poorly with north overruffing dummy and they don't necessarily have a fit or the values for 3nt.
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Posted 2016-January-27, 19:29

it is hard to do great penalty x when the long defender trumps are in front of declarer (like they would be in this position). That makes the x a lot less likely to succeed and w should have chosen whatever form of cue bid they use to show both majors and take it from there. East pass is very reasonable with 2 and maybe even 3 trump tricks and partner x behind the opening bidder greatly increasing the chances for a decent set. Note that x would have been much more reasonable if the bidding had gone 2c p p where p can convert to penalty behind declarer. A michaels cue bid followed by 3s (eaat) and wild horses have trouble keeping west from bidding slam.
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