[Cyberyeti]

Teams, We missed the boat on this board and this was compounded by team mates playing against the only pair in the room that didn't. I think this is a pretty difficult hand to bid.

Dealer W nobody vul:

You are not playing 2/1 GF (nobody in the room is) which would make it easier.

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Any suggestions how it should go ? and where do you want to be, 6♠,6♣ ?

[manudude03]

I think I end in 6S playing 2/1 and 6C playing standard american.

2/1

1S-2C
2H-3C
3H-3S
4D-4H
4S-4N
6D-6S

SA:

1S-2C
2H-3D
3H-4C
4D-4H
4S-4N
6C

[fromageGB]

It needs an acol player to answer this ; I don't know if a 3♣ rebid by responder is forcing. I guess even if it is, opener must jump to 4♥ as 3 could be passed, and over 4♠ ask for aces with 5♣ if you play this as exclusion in diamonds, or 5♦ if not. 6♠ is a likely punt.

[manudude03]

fromageGB, on 2015-September-26, 04:52, said:

It needs an acol player to answer this ; I don't know if a 3♣ rebid by responder is forcing. I guess even if it is, opener must jump to 4♥ as 3 could be passed, and over 4♠ ask for aces with 5♣ if you play this as exclusion in diamonds, or 5♦ if not. 6♠ is a likely punt.

You mean 1S-2C-2H-3C? It's NF in acol.

[gnasher]

1♠-3♣
3♥-3NT
4♥-4♠
5♦-5♥
6♠

Edit: Or perhaps opener should bid 5NT, pick-a-slam, after 5♥. Then we'd get to 6♣, though I'd prefer to be in 6♠.

[Jinksy]

My sequence might not be of much use to most partnerships, but it's fun for me:

2N* 3♥**
4♦*** 4♥****
5♦***** 6♠

* 5+spades, 5+ hearts or clubs, playing strength c10-13HCP in theory, but can be stronger if you've got the distribution to follow it up with an impossible bid.
** Please sign off in 3♠ if you have hearts, else bid 3N
*** An impossible bid. Not sure exactly what it means, but 4♥s and 4♣s would be naturalish, so it must be showing extra S length, hearts as our side suit, and probably a diamond control.
**** We denied interest in hearts with our 3♥ bid, so this is some kind of cue/last trainish thing.
***** Almost certainly a void, since with stiff A you'd have opened a stronger bid if you also had the major strength to bid like this.

[kenrexford]

With standard, this seems easy. After Opener bids hearts, Responder bids 3D to gf. Opener rebids hearts, and Responder shows the spade doubleton.

In other words, the auction is identical to the 2/1 sequence, except for the 3D call rather than the 3C rebid.

If the concern in sa is re bidding clubs, which seems fair, then after 3NT, when Opener doesn't have 6 spades, bid 4C.

[Cyberyeti]

My concern with many of these auctions is that a lot of them go the same way for long enough opposite AQxxx, KQJxx, Jxx, void (or Jx, x) that you reach a potentially unmakeable 4♠ when you wanted to be in 3N/4♥.

[kenrexford]

Cyberyeti, on 2015-September-26, 07:47, said:

My concern with many of these auctions is that a lot of them go the same way for long enough opposite AQxxx, KQJxx, Jxx, void (or Jx, x) that you reach a potentially unmakeable 4♠ when you wanted to be in 3N/4♥.

Assume blah blah blah 3S. There is a good argument for 4D being choice between majors, I agree. Especially when 2/1 and Responder had bid 3C. However, I think 4H is that call, choice. But, this then begs the question of what 4C and 4D mean.

I think the following would be a logical approach:

4H choice. 55 majors, diamond hole.
4S to play
4C 5512/5503, unclear srength
4D as 65, general slam noise.

Now, if 4D is general slam noise, Responder probably should be able to bid 4H as some other noise.

If everyone is just making indecipherable noise, that's fine, but I think there is a good meaning to assume. Diamond control is the likelihood. IMO, 4D by Opener should be true noise, with 4H by Responder an inference fusion of Last Train and Lackwood, perhaps "Lack Train," if you will. Acceptance, but no diamond control.

I really like this. Cool sequence.

[Zelandakh]

I am surprisingly with Ken on this, both in terms of sequence (assuming Acol) and follow-ups, and would not consider it strange.

[Fluffy]

I would rebid 2NT as East, I Want partner to voluntarily raise clubs if he can. It doesn't change much, 3♥-3♠-4♦. then as Wayne

[Zelandakh]

Fluffy, on 2015-September-27, 02:31, said:

I would rebid 2NT as East,

This is not forcing in Acol. 2/1 gives more options of course.