Substitutes Pard disconnected, not allowed back
#1
Posted 2014-July-05, 22:24
#2
Posted 2014-July-06, 17:39
PS: Their rules are clearly stated on their website ( http://www.bridge-ad....com/?page_id=4 ) and it is not unusual to give subs the choice of staying, so they do not hang around all tournament, then get subbed in and only play one hand.
#3
Posted 2014-July-17, 15:39
Bbradley62, on 2014-July-06, 17:39, said:
PS: Their rules are clearly stated on their website ( http://www.bridge-ad....com/?page_id=4 ) and it is not unusual to give subs the choice of staying, so they do not hang around all tournament, then get subbed in and only play one hand.
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It seems to me they (NOT just Bridge Addicts!) are ALWAYS crying for substitutes, so when pard returns after being disconnected, PARD should be re-seated, allowing the sub to be seated elsewhere, as there should be multiple openings, "so they do not hang around all tournament, then get subbed in and only play one hand". After all, they are signed on as SUBSTITUTES, NOT REGISTERED PARTICIPANTS!
It would be very unusual for a sub not to have an opening. The registered player should have priority, NOT the sub. Only after a full round, or the major portion thereof, should the current rules be implemented.
#4
Posted 2014-July-17, 22:02
lordc, on 2014-July-17, 15:39, said:
It seems to me they (NOT just Bridge Addicts!) are ALWAYS crying for substitutes, so when pard returns after being disconnected, PARD should be re-seated, allowing the sub to be seated elsewhere, as there should be multiple openings, "so they do not hang around all tournament, then get subbed in and only play one hand". After all, they are signed on as SUBSTITUTES, NOT REGISTERED PARTICIPANTS!
It would be very unusual for a sub not to have an opening. The registered player should have priority, NOT the sub. Only after a full round, or the major portion thereof, should the current rules be implemented.
Tried to get to IBAA site, registered, didn't get password email.
#5
Posted 2014-July-18, 15:25
#6
Posted 2014-July-19, 02:24
When you sign up as a sub, you shouldn't have any expectation of playing any boards at all. You're doing the tourney organizer a favor, keeping the game running while a player has gotten disconnected.
#7
Posted 2014-July-19, 03:03
barmar, on 2014-July-19, 02:24, said:
Sometimes they do it because they haven't got a partner, or because they were a little late to register for the tourney.
London UK
#8
Posted 2014-July-19, 21:53
#9
Posted 2014-July-20, 08:01
Also, this is a fortunate scenario. Some hosts NEVER reseat original players, even if you would get the sub's permission, they just don't bother to go look up who was sitting where and click the reseat player button.
#10
Posted 2014-July-20, 09:56
diana_eva, on 2014-July-20, 08:01, said:
Also, this is a fortunate scenario. Some hosts NEVER reseat original players, even if you would get the sub's permission, they just don't bother to go look up who was sitting where and click the reseat player button.
" Yes, subs expect to be kicked out at some point, but why not be nice when removing them?"
Who said anything about not being courteous? I would have no objection to asking sub to please allow my original pard to reseat, although I feel this 'permission' is unwarranted. I would insist that TD comply if sub grants such permission.
Perhaps extending the round by a minute or 2 would allow for this eventuality. When we finish a game, invariably there are many tables still in play, so that time extension would have little or no effect. I have waited as much as 20 minutes for results to show because there are so many lagging tables.
#11
Posted 2014-July-20, 11:17
lordc, on 2014-July-20, 09:56, said:
Who said anything about not being courteous? I would have no objection to asking sub to please allow my original pard to reseat, although I feel this 'permission' is unwarranted. I would insist that TD comply if sub grants such permission.
Perhaps extending the round by a minute or 2 would allow for this eventuality. When we finish a game, invariably there are many tables still in play, so that time extension would have little or no effect. I have waited as much as 20 minutes for results to show because there are so many lagging tables.
OK maybe I misunderstood your original post then. You said "Needing permission from the sub to allow original player back is RIDICULOUS! "
I don't know what happened next. Did you ask the sub to give seat back to your pd and sub refused to leave?
#12
Posted 2014-July-20, 12:54
lordc, on 2014-July-19, 21:53, said:
That depends on the rules of the tournament. In many cases, including the tournament for which you registered, the rules stipulate that the sub is allowed to stay, so it is the original players who must be aware of that possibility.
#13
Posted 2014-July-20, 14:36
It is up to tournament organizers to set these policies. And then, follow them consistently.
#14
Posted 2014-July-20, 20:09
#15
Posted 2014-July-20, 22:26
Or, step-by-step:
- Go to bridge-addicts.com
- Directly under the title and picture is a list of several menu options. Choose RULES
- 12 rules are listed. You should read them all, but Rule 10 is the one we are discussing.
#16
Posted 2014-July-29, 16:10
Bbradley62, on 2014-July-20, 22:26, said:
Or, step-by-step:
- Go to bridge-addicts.com
- Directly under the title and picture is a list of several menu options. Choose RULES
- 12 rules are listed. You should read them all, but Rule 10 is the one we are discussing.
Then is it the RULE that needs to be changed, at least such that the TD MUST allow original player back in if the sub agrees, a part of this rule that, I maintain, makes no sense at all.
When I register for a full tournament, I expect to play the entire tournament. If I get disconnected, I expect to be placed back with my original partner when connection is re-established.
#17
Posted 2014-July-30, 01:32
lordc, on 2014-July-29, 16:10, said:
If you play in games where this is not what happens, you will be disappointed. Better to manage your expectations.
London UK
#18
Posted 2014-July-30, 06:52
lordc, on 2014-July-29, 16:10, said:
Folks who run tournaments on BBO can set their own rules, so I refer you back to the first sentence I posted above:
Bbradley62, on 2014-July-06, 17:39, said:
#19
Posted 2014-July-30, 15:17
Bbradley62, on 2014-July-30, 06:52, said:
Exactly. Consider us to be like the landlord that owns the property where a bridge club operates. You wouldn't expect them to set the club's rules, would you? We're just providing the online space.
We do operate our own tournaments, the ACBL pair and individual tourneys. These operate according to BBO's rules, and they are that if you return you get your seat back, I think it happens automatically when the current hand finishes.
#20
Posted 2014-July-30, 15:35
Bbradley62, on 2014-July-30, 06:52, said:
BBO does not tell Bridge Addicts what their rules should be.
I have attempted on more than one occasion to log on to IBAA with no success. How can I tell them what I feel if I can't reach them?