[Lord Molyb]

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How do you bid the hand after this start?

[the hog]

I dislike these hands intensely. Maybe 4C 4H now, who knows? 5C 6D based on the 3 minor suit cards? I think I might be resulting a bit here. Hard to avoid Hearts though with 7 good one. 6H is unlikely to make.
4C 4H
5C ?

[mike777]

I will try 5c now but who knows

[gszes]

4c

I am not forced to bid here---the 4c bid has to be an attempt to show
a very radical distribution. My hand seems so good but there is too much
chance of a misfit after this bidding so the 4c bid adequately prepares
for a 5c bid in case p bids 4h (if their heart suit is that good they
can bid 5h and they wont be disappointed with my aces).

I have some sympathy for 5c bidders but that quite possibly preempts us
out of slam for really no good reason. The hand does not have to be a misfit
it just sounds like it could be (I know I KNOW from seeing the hands it is
but just from the bidding?).

[the hog]

gszes, on 2014-April-10, 23:13, said:

4c

I am not forced to bid here---the 4c bid has to be an attempt to show
a very radical distribution. My hand seems so good but there is too much
chance of a misfit after this bidding so the 4c bid adequately prepares
for a 5c bid in case p bids 4h (if their heart suit is that good they
can bid 5h and they wont be disappointed with my aces).

I have some sympathy for 5c bidders but that quite possibly preempts us
out of slam for really no good reason. The hand does not have to be a misfit
it just sounds like it could be (I know I KNOW from seeing the hands it is
but just from the bidding?).

Misfit? Partner has the KQ and K of my 6 card suits or heven's sake. I would always like partners to have "misfits" like this.

[MrAce]

4♣-4♥
5♣-6♦

I don't think i can stop before slam with S hand holding xxx ♠ and KQ K values in his suits when he showed big shape.

[Cyberyeti]

MrAce, on 2014-April-11, 06:34, said:

4♣-4♥
5♣-6♦

I don't think i can stop before slam with S hand holding xxx ♠ and KQ K values in his suits when he showed big shape.

Something like this, 6♦ is where you'll end up and is not horrible

[MrAce]

Cyberyeti, on 2014-April-11, 06:47, said:

Something like this, 6♦ is where you'll end up and is not horrible

No, it is not horrible. I am sure we all played slams some of which makes this one look "cold"

[mfa1010]

4♣ is clear, but south's bid over that is very diffucult. I can see merit in 4♦, 4♥, 5♥ and 5NT(COS). If south goes for 4♥ only and is passed out (not here - north should bid 5♣ with his extreme shape), then I would expect to have missed a slam very, very often. Maybe this should have been a poll instead, wtd after 4♣.

6♦ is good, since a club lead is unlikely. 7♦ is not that bad either, since 6♦ will take 13 a lot of the time it makes anyway. I assume it is best to play on hearts after a nonclub lead.

[neilkaz]

Cyberyeti, on 2014-April-11, 06:47, said:

Something like this, 6♦ is where you'll end up and is not horrible

We agree and I bid the same way.

[Zelandakh]

MrAce, on 2014-April-11, 06:34, said:

4♣-4♥
5♣-

I am interested (on a theoretical level) if everyone plays 5NT the same way on this auction after 5♣.

[gszes]

the hog, on 2014-April-11, 03:53, said:

Misfit? Partner has the KQ and K of my 6 card suits or heven's sake. I would always like partners to have "misfits" like this.

Curious statement my bidding assumes we cannot see each others hands. A bidding question
is not about how to bid when one can see both hands but how one would bid in real life:))))))

[aguahombre]

MrAce, on 2014-April-11, 06:34, said:

4♣(the easy part)-4♥(obvious)
5♣(Passing 4H would be tempting, but....)-6♦(Yeh, Pass would really be wimpy)

I don't think i can stop before slam with S hand holding xxx ♠ and KQ K values in his suits when he showed big shape.

Agree with Timo, But just had to put words in his mouth.

[whereagles]

Easy 5♣. There are no tools to evaluate a slam here, so I'll just give up on it.

[the hog]

gszes, on 2014-April-11, 09:13, said:

Curious statement my bidding assumes we cannot see each others hands. A bidding question
is not about how to bid when one can see both hands but how one would bid in real life:))))))

When my pd bid C and D strongly and I hold K KQ, I do not regard the hand as a misfit.It appears you do.

[MrAce]

aguahombre, on 2014-April-11, 09:15, said:

Agree with Timo, But just had to put words in his mouth.

[Fluffy]

4♣-4♥
...

I would pass wth north's hand.

[aguahombre]

whereagles, on 2014-April-11, 11:09, said:

Easy 5♣. There are no tools to evaluate a slam here, so I'll just give up on it.

Bidding 5C, combined with Partner's tools of observation, should get it done. I agree with Fluffy that bidding 5C is not clear; but if I did that, Pard would be the one doing the evaluating.

[whereagles]

Well, pard's minor suit holding is as good as it gets. Plus, he can diagnose a short spade across. He might raise to 6 on this ground, but I sure aint doing any research on my own

[MinorKid]

4♣ 4♥
5♣ 6♦