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#1 User is offline   chasetb 

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Posted 2014-January-25, 13:12

Basic GIB, but passing here is criminal.

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Posted 2014-January-25, 14:51

I agree!
South should be taken out and shot! South's pass was, however, only the second worst choice of this auction. Apparently South has been taught (as have so many) that missing a possible 4-4 major fit is the end of the world. But, with 7-4 shape and a weakish hand, diamonds will play ever so much better (even if that possible 4-4 spade fit exists). A 2 call would work wonders.
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Posted 2014-January-25, 15:30

 BillHiggin, on 2014-January-25, 14:51, said:

I agree!
South should be taken out and shot! South's pass was, however, only the second worst choice of this auction. Apparently South has been taught (as have so many) that missing a possible 4-4 major fit is the end of the world. But, with 7-4 shape and a weakish hand, diamonds will play ever so much better (even if that possible 4-4 spade fit exists). A 2 call would work wonders.


A2 call is forcing 1 round and promises at least some values.
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Posted 2014-January-25, 17:32

Classic GIB "thinking"- doesn't consider shape of hand so if you have 19 HCP and relatively flat which you open 1C, it responds 1H and you raise to 3H, it pass with awesome shape quality and 5 HCP which forces you to raise 4H even sometimes its not shapely so you go down. It considers 8 card solid diamond suit, the same as a normalish diamond response bid.
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Posted 2014-January-25, 22:50

hmmm... I thought the crime was East's pass.

And I'd like to know what a double by North would have shown.
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Posted 2014-January-26, 03:38

 BillHiggin, on 2014-January-25, 14:51, said:

I agree!
South should be taken out and shot! South's pass was, however, only the second worst choice of this auction. Apparently South has been taught (as have so many) that missing a possible 4-4 major fit is the end of the world. But, with 7-4 shape and a weakish hand, diamonds will play ever so much better (even if that possible 4-4 spade fit exists). A 2 call would work wonders.


So you would make a forcing bid on this hand on this hand?
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Posted 2014-January-27, 18:24

north passing with 19 pts is bad
north knows their pretty well game forced
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Posted 2014-January-28, 08:02

North can always bid 2NT if double doesn't fit the bill.

South's bidding is ok. The hand is too weak for a 2 bid which is almost GF in GIB's system. And as for his final pass: Why tempt partner to double 3 when it looks like they will make ten tricks?
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Posted 2014-January-28, 12:04

 helene_t, on 2014-January-28, 08:02, said:

And as for his final pass: Why tempt partner to double 3 when it looks like they will make ten tricks?

Point. As shown time and time again in threads in this forum, GIB relies on opponents to balance in order to bid its games.
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Posted 2014-January-29, 00:27

Upgrade from the basic GIB :rolleyes:
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