Is this a TO double? Over a pre-empt
#1
Posted 2013-September-07, 19:42
♠A8xx
♥6x
♦AK98
♣865
2♥-?
wyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:
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#3
Posted 2013-September-08, 01:26
Hanoi5, on 2013-September-07, 19:42, said:
♠A8xx
♥6x
♦AK98
♣865
2♥-?
As partner has not yet bid and the bidding is below game level,I would take any double as for takeout
unless there was partnership agreement otherwise. So double is the correct bid. If p is strong in♥
he can pass for penalties.
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#4
Posted 2013-September-08, 05:41
#5
Posted 2013-September-08, 06:26
PhilG007, on 2013-September-08, 01:26, said:
unless there was partnership agreement otherwise. So double is the correct bid. If p is strong in♥
he can pass for penalties.
I think the OP is asking whether this hand is worth a takeout X, not whether X is for takeout.
And in my opinion, it is not. It is a very flat hand, doubleton heart, sub-minimum strength and we are vulnerable. One bad split and 3CX is going down 500. Pass is clear - don't forget partner still has a bid!
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#6
Posted 2013-September-08, 06:57
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#7
Posted 2013-September-08, 12:46
Usually forced to the 3-level (if we can make 2♠ pard is bidding at least 3) and the fact that with 4-4 in the minors partner will most often choose clubs and you have a tiny landing spot. I'm getting to where we belong much more often after partner bids or after I re-open with double if lho raises and partner passes.
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#8
Posted 2013-September-08, 14:47
ahydra, on 2013-September-08, 06:26, said:
And in my opinion, it is not. It is a very flat hand, doubleton heart, sub-minimum strength and we are vulnerable. One bad split and 3CX is going down 500. Pass is clear - don't forget partner still has a bid!
ahydra
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Bridge is a game where you have two opponents...and often three(!)
"Any palooka can take tricks with Aces and Kings; the true expert shows his prowess
by how he handles the two's and three's" - Mollo's Hideous Hog
#9
Posted 2013-September-09, 05:19
The chance of partner having a 4 card spade suit is about 50% and median 11 points. So with: ♠ Kxxx, ♥ Kxx, ♦xx; ♣AJxx we would like to be in 2♠ and with ♠ Kxxx, ♥ Axx; ♦xx; ♣ KJxx even 4♠ looks possible albeit unlikely. Would partner balance with these hands if you passed? How many spades would you bid if he did balance? Would partner raise to a not so good 3♠ on the first hand if you did double for take out?
If partner does not have a 4 card spade suit then a not unlikely distribution would be 3334 Say ♠Kxx, ♥Kxx, ♦xxx, ♣ AJxx and partner is between a rock and a hard place. (Bob made me think)
I suppose most of the time fewer than 5 imps is at stake, but some of the time doubling could get you plus or minus 10 imps according to your luck. Are you feeling lucky?
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Posted 2013-September-09, 09:19
#11
Posted 2013-September-09, 09:42
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#12
Posted 2013-September-09, 10:28
#14
Posted 2013-September-11, 05:26
ahydra, on 2013-September-08, 06:26, said:
And in my opinion, it is not. It is a very flat hand, doubleton heart, sub-minimum strength and we are vulnerable. One bad split and 3CX is going down 500. Pass is clear - don't forget partner still has a bid!
ahydra
Of course it's worth a takeout double. On that hand,no other bid makes sense(!)
- Dr Tarrasch(1862-1934)German Chess Grandmaster
Bridge is a game where you have two opponents...and often three(!)
"Any palooka can take tricks with Aces and Kings; the true expert shows his prowess
by how he handles the two's and three's" - Mollo's Hideous Hog
#15
Posted 2013-September-11, 05:28
Winstonm, on 2013-September-09, 10:28, said:
I would definitely favour Aces and Kings over Queens and Jacks,under undervalued or not (!)
- Dr Tarrasch(1862-1934)German Chess Grandmaster
Bridge is a game where you have two opponents...and often three(!)
"Any palooka can take tricks with Aces and Kings; the true expert shows his prowess
by how he handles the two's and three's" - Mollo's Hideous Hog
#16
Posted 2013-September-11, 09:40
#18
Posted 2013-September-11, 16:18
Experienced players know those are the hands that you should get in while you can, or you will either get robbed frequently or will bail out big numbers by getting in late with the fear of being robbed.
-We have the shape of a take out DBL,
-We have the values (minimum values i admit but AAK ffs!) for T/O dbl
-Our values are in our longest suits
-Our spots are not that bad.
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#19
Posted 2013-September-11, 19:04
#20
Posted 2013-September-13, 07:41
VM1973, on 2013-September-11, 09:40, said:
Disagree It's vital to show the values as soon as possible before it's too late
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Bridge is a game where you have two opponents...and often three(!)
"Any palooka can take tricks with Aces and Kings; the true expert shows his prowess
by how he handles the two's and three's" - Mollo's Hideous Hog