[kgr]

MP's

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Your DBL was transfer to ♥.
Partners DBL is take-out and extra's. At this level we don't play support DBL, but DBL is often with 3c♥.
Your call?

[CamHenry]

I'm quite tempted to double for takeout myself. It's a shame the director wouldn't permit this! Absent that option, it seem I could try passing - but we've probably got game on, partner's not got more than 1 diamond, and oppo may have a cross-ruff for -1 or similar. I could bid 3♥, thus grossly misdescribing my distribution and strength. I could bid 3♠, which could find a 3-3 fit and play partscore. 4♣ looks like a bad call, 4♦ might show first-round control instead of "no clear direction", and 4M is overly committal. I'm going to bid 3NT and hope it's correct, but I reckon 4♦ is the second-best option here.

[helene_t]

We can probably make 6♣. Especially given that it has been posted on the forum

I have no clue how to bid it. 4♦ just leads to murkiness. I think I just punt 6♣.

[ahydra]

helene_t, on 2013-August-08, 09:15, said:

We can probably make 6♣.

That's rather optimistic! At this point we have no guarantee that partner holds any more than four five clubs (edit: thanks Cyberyeti for pointing out what I'd missed, namely he can't have 4 hearts).

I'll stick with a boring 3NT.

ahydra

[Cyberyeti]

ahydra, on 2013-August-08, 09:17, said:

That's rather optimistic! At this point we have no guarantee that partner holds any more than four clubs.

I'll stick with a boring 3NT.

ahydra

Well he should only have at most one diamond and 3 hearts, so he would appear to have 5 or more clubs. I'm probably with you on 3N though.

[mikeh]

This being mps, I am not going to chase a minor suit slam unless I know RHO to be the type of player who thinks that a 4 card overcall is a psyche and he or she hates psyches, or unless I am playing in a strong field.

If RHO has 5 diamonds, then the odds are very high that partner has something like 4=3=0=6, and he needs very little by way of 'extras' to make 6♣ a very good spot....with lots of extras, grand will have play. And a good 4=3=1=5 may make 12 tricks as well. AKJx Kxx x AQxxx is basically on a hook through the opp with the most values. Take away the spade J and we still have almost the same play, with a major squeeze or either major being 3-3 making the contract almost 50%.

However, 3N rates to take 10 tricks so it will beat all those who play in the club game, and that is the deciding factor for me in most mp fields. I doubt that 630 will be anything worse than 45-65%, while looking for slam and stopping in 5♣ will be less than 40% all the time and bidding a failing slam will be 10% or worse. I'll take my average plus on a hand where I am really stuck in the auction and hope to pick up tops later on.

However, in a strong field, where more players will be picturing slam layouts, I think playing 3N when cold for 6♣ will score below average and I'll try for the slam. I would definitely go slamming playing imps.

[the_dude]

3NT for me.

When they preempt, I seem to have alot more disasters bidding speculative contracts than had I just bid a solid game. True we could be on for 6C, we have a fantastic hand, but we could also be turning a vul game into a minus.

One opp made a takeout X ... maybe he was kidding and maybe he wasn't but I have no reason to think so and no good way to find out. I'm taking the surest profit.

[kgr]

the_dude, on 2013-August-08, 09:29, said:

One opp made a takeout X ... maybe he was kidding and maybe he wasn't but I have no reason to think so and no good way to find out. I'm taking the surest profit.

I don't understand this: Partner made a TO X.

[PhilKing]

I would double with a minimum of:

♠AJxx ♥Kxx ♦x ♣AQxxx

So anything more than 3NT is exaggerated.

[lowerline]

kgr, on 2013-August-08, 08:59, said:

MP's

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Your DBL was transfer to ♥.
Partners DBL is take-out and extra's. At this level we don't play support DBL, but DBL is often with 3c♥.
Your call?

How sure are we that 3nt is making? Because it is MPs I think I'm going for the sure plus and pass.

Steven

[Free]

3NT seems quite obvious to me

[MrAce]

lowerline, on 2013-August-09, 05:09, said:

How sure are we that 3nt is making? Because it is MPs I think I'm going for the sure plus and pass.

Steven

You have 12 hcp + stopper in their suit and pd opens. And then he says he has extras for his opening bid. And you ask how sure are we that 3 NT is making huh ? Why so pessimistic ?

It is possible that you may go down in 3NT but the chances of this is less than your being in a car wreck on the way to tournament imo

[PhilKing]

lowerline, on 2013-August-09, 05:09, said:

How sure are we that 3nt is making? Because it is MPs I think I'm going for the sure plus and pass.

Steven

You know that MPs stands for matchpoints, right?

I would expect a lot of +500s and therefore a cold bottom. True, you will get 800s as well, but not quite often enough. In a weak field (and whatever kind is there?), a good declarer should rate to do hugely well in standard 3NT contracts, so there is no need to risk anything with too high a variance.

[the hog]

3NT for me. Looking for slam is highly optimistic.

[kgr]

MP's

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Your DBL was transfer to ♥.
Partners DBL is take-out and extra's. At this level we don't play support DBL, but DBL is often with 3c♥.


I passed, afraid to loose 4 ticks D and another trick. Apparently (seeing the answers) pass is not the correct decision at MPs and this vulnerability. 3DX did go -2.
It looks like 3NT and 6♣ have similar chances (?).

How would you play 3NT after a ♦ lead and you are allowed to make the 1st trick.



We were actually EW and these are we the scores for NS. (we scored 70% with 3DX-2)
Score NZ ptnNZ %NZ
-150 1 11 55.00%
-800 2 0 0.00%
-690 3 2 10.00%
-50 4 18 90.00%
-100 5 16 80.00%
400 6 20 100.00%
-630 7 4 20.00%
-300 8 6 30.00%
-150 9 11 55.00%
-140 10 14 70.00%
-200 11 8 40.00%

[PhilKing]

kgr, on 2013-August-10, 02:39, said:

How would you play 3NT after a ♦ lead and you are allowed to make the 1st trick.

I'd probably put ♠Q on the table pretty quickly. If I deem the king is offside, now I have a problem, since the issue is complicated by whether I assume there will be a lot of people in 6♣.