[ArtK78]

mfa1010, on 2013-May-21, 15:59, said:

In my opinion are 5♥ and XX both very normal bids with the west hand.

That is interesting.

You have some very reasonable defense against 4♠, but opposite a nonvulnerable 4♥ preempt you are so confident about making 11 tricks you not only bid 5♥ but when doubled you send it back. Certainly 3 minor suit losers are not out of the question.

I can buy the 5♥ bid, but the redouble seems a bit much.

[wank]

why are you so worried about bluing something that goes 1 off? the odds are massively in your favour.

[mfa1010]

ArtK78, on 2013-May-21, 16:09, said:

That is interesting.

You have some very reasonable defense against 4♠, but opposite a nonvulnerable 4♥ preempt you are so confident about making 11 tricks you not only bid 5♥ but when doubled you send it back. Certainly 3 minor suit losers are not out of the question.

I can buy the 5♥ bid, but the redouble seems a bit much.

Down 1 in 5♥R is no big deal.
If you think the redouble is out of line on the actual west hand with so little offense then I wonder what you were hoping/expecting west to have, when you passed 5♥R as south. If west tends to be even better (like ♦-void also) then passing 5♥R looks suicidal.

[aguahombre]

mfa1010, on 2013-May-21, 15:57, said:

My question was hypothetical. So many were discussing break-of-tempo without having heard, if there even was any.
So I was wondering what "normal tempo" would be here and how much fidgety it would take to constitute relevant UI. Since many seem to expect there will be fidgiting even before having heard about it.
A strong TD from around here stated that it would be good bridge always to take just a few seconds over XX, and that a very fast pass would be unusual indeed.

You and the strong TD are right in your views. I think those of us who threw in the possibility of a tempo break where none had been introduced, were just giving another reason why South's Double instead of 5S on the previous round could go wrong.

[mfa1010]

aguahombre, on 2013-May-21, 16:54, said:

You and the strong TD are right in your views. I think those of us who threw in the possibility of a tempo break where none had been introduced, were just giving another reason why South's Double instead of 5S on the previous round could go wrong.

Ok
One needs to be pretty far-sighted, though, to count in the possibility that it might go XX-slow pass-pass- back to us, if we double 5♥, and therefore we'd better not double.

[aguahombre]

mfa1010, on 2013-May-21, 18:09, said:

Ok
One needs to be pretty far-sighted, though, to count in the possibility that it might go XX-slow pass-pass- back to us, if we double 5♥, and therefore we'd better not double.

Remote, maybe in this case. But there are a whole array of dog-walks, misbids, etc., where the player has another chance to do what he/she should have done the previous time --yet could be constrained from doing so because of table action. We are better off not setting ourselves up.

We have had threads on this, before ---such as using a Bergen raise when we intended to proceed to game all along... or

(1H) 1S (3H) 3S
(4H) P! (P) 4S with a 4S bid, on the last round.

At best these are merely annoying to partner and the opponents; at worst, some UI crept in.

[mfa1010]

Yes sure, but running from an unexpected redouble is hardly comparable to those.