[Zelandakh]

petqwe, on 2013-February-01, 01:09, said:

And do people use their own invented system here?

Welcome to the forums.

Yes, many of us are using our own systems here. Please read the "comparing systems" thread for an explanation/overview of this project.

[dake50]

"Uncontested auction", but East opens 1NT:10-12 nv.

[relknes]

dake50, on 2013-February-01, 10:13, said:

"Uncontested auction", but East opens 1NT:10-12 nv.

Some Easts maybe, but not many (at least in my area). And if they do, that's fine. I don't mind defending 1Nx, and if they play some kind of forced runout system (ie, they play 1Nxx or run to 2x) I will have a lot of fun doubling whatever contract they end up in (2♦x looks likely). Either way, it is better than 2N-1.

[dake50]

Some Easts maybe, but not many (at least in my area). And if they do, that's fine. I don't mind defending 1Nx, and if they play some kind of forced runout system (ie, they play 1Nxx or run to 2x) I will have a lot of fun doubling whatever contract they end up in (2♦x looks likely). Either way, it is better than 2N-1.

*** This started out "comparing systems".
So what are your constraints for double intending 1NT-X?
Surely denying 5-5 Majors?
Bal or may have single/void?
Do you think you outscore VUL game when that's on?
Or does double suggest not VUL game?
So what does that intended penalty double now look like?
What hands does partner let penalty play?

[relknes]

dake50, on 2013-February-02, 17:33, said:

So what are your constraints for double intending 1NT-X?
Surely denying 5-5 Majors?
Bal or may have single/void?
Do you think you outscore VUL game when that's on?
Or does double suggest not VUL game?
So what does that intended penalty double now look like?
What hands does partner let penalty play?

For us, a double of NT is always penalty oriented.
Constraints for doubling 1N: 17+ points. Should also have a good lead if minimum.
Denying 5-5 majors?: Yes (in fact it even denies 5 spades with 4 hearts, or a 5 card major with a 5 card minor). It also denies a 6 card major.
Could have a singleton or void, if for instance it has a long and strong minor suit.
If partner has enough that a game is on, they will be in trouble in 1N. We have the lead, so we should get into our suits first. Not that it will always score better (hence why we prefer overcalling with very shapely major oriented hands).
Partner should let the penalty double play unless they have 9+ points (8 if they have a good 5+ major).
Are we alone in playing a double of 1N for penalty? I thought it was prety standard.

[dake50]

[quote name='relknes' timestamp='1359851613' post='702890']
For us, a double of NT is always penalty oriented.
Constraints for doubling 1N: 17+ points. Should also have a good lead if minimum.
Denying 5-5 majors?: Yes (in fact it even denies 5 spades with 4 hearts, or a 5 card major with a 5 card minor). It also denies a 6 card major.
Could have a singleton or void, if for instance it has a long and strong minor suit.
If partner has enough that a game is on, they will be in trouble in 1N. We have the lead, so we should get into our suits first. Not that it will always score better (hence why we prefer overcalling with very shapely major oriented hands).
Partner should let the penalty double play unless they have 9+ points (8 if they have a good 5+ major).
Are we alone in playing a double of 1N for penalty? I thought it was prety standard.

*** Lucky! Your 20 points get 1NT-X down 1.

[Zelandakh]

dake, if you were N-S (and we are on this hand) would you rather be defending 1NTX or playing 2NT? This is the only point relknes is making. Whether a 10-12 NT is a good idea or not cannot be shown by a single hand.

[JLOGIC]

p 2N AP

2N is not heavy since it's a 15-17 NT spot (so 18-19 for 1C 1N, 20-21 for the rebid)

[FM75]

OCP

1♣ - 1♦
1♥ - 1♠ - cambridge hearts, or real hearts - relay
2N

[Free]

FM75, on 2013-January-30, 15:58, said:

OCP


1♣ - 1♦
1♥ - 1♠ 19+balanced or will qualify in future bid, relay
1N 19-21 balanced

FM75, on 2013-February-11, 17:02, said:

OCP

1♣ - 1♦
1♥ - 1♠ - cambridge hearts, or real hearts - relay
2N

Funny

[Mbodell]

Free, on 2013-February-14, 11:16, said:

Funny

Very. I guess it is an appropriate time for:

Quote

A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesman and philosophers and divines. With consistency a great soul has simply nothing to do. He may as well concern himself with his shadow on the wall. Speak what you think now in hard words, and to-morrow speak what to-morrow thinks in hard words again, though it contradict every thing you said to-day. — 'Ah, so you shall be sure to be misunderstood.' — Is it so bad, then, to be misunderstood? Pythagoras was misunderstood, and Socrates, and Jesus, and Luther, and Copernicus, and Galileo, and Newton, and every pure and wise spirit that ever took flesh. To be great is to be misunderstood.

Way to be great FM75.

[relknes]

Maybe he just miscounted the hand as 22 points today?

[Lord Molyb]

Molybdenum pass system:
N......S
1♣!!!-1NT (0-10 with 4 clubs, 15+)
2♣- 2NT (0-3, 20-21 balanced)
P

[Zelandakh]

I do not understand Lord Molyb. How can North pass an unlimited bid from partner? Perhaps South has 36 hcp!

[Lord Molyb]

Zelandakh, on 2013-February-15, 02:32, said:

I do not understand Lord Molyb. How can North pass an unlimited bid from partner? Perhaps South has 36 hcp!

fixed.
by the way you seem to love poking little holes in my uncompleted system (which is still terrible )

[PrecisionL]

Upgraded Ultra Club Relay / C3 = Copious Canape Club

- - 1♣ -
1♦ - 1♥ = 4+♥ or 2+♥ and balanced 19+ hcp -
1NT = Artificial, double negative 0-4 hcp and no Ace All Pass

Contract: 1NT by North

[CamHenry]

Unnamed Homebrew Diamond:
2♣-2♦ Weak ♦ OR weak majors OR GF majors OR 20-23 bal / pass-or-correct
2N-Pass Balanced option

We lose out here: it would be nice to be able to stop in 1NT but there's always compromises.