[Lord Molyb]

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North is the dealer in matchpoints, at unfavorable vulnerability.
This was bid to 3NT in a bridge class, making 7.

[kayin801]

2NT-4♦
4♥-4NT
5♥-6♥
6NT-P

6NT should be obvious because the bidding either indicates we have all the key cards but no heart Q so hearts can be set up for one loser, or we're off a key but hearts have a good chance to run.

I think the S hand is good enough to just keycard opposite a big balanced hand, the 6 nearly solid hearts are huge.

No offense, but I don't find this to be an interesting bridge hand, it's rather typical, sorry The only way I'd find this more interesting is if you wanted to make an argument that the N hand is too good for 2NT, which is fair.

[Fluffy]

I never get north to bid hearts after 2nt opening, and land in the bad 6♥ by south.

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

In a Bridge Class -

How many combined HCP do we have: 30
We have a 8 card heart fit.
Both hands are semi bal.

So: Why do we not play in a major?

3NT makes +3, but you can go easily down,
when 4H is +1.

In a Bridge Class I would say, sometimes
you make 12 tricks, so dont worry about
missing the slam, but I would ask why they
play NT.

For that matter, if you discover the heart
fit, you can bid 6H, played by North, it is
not a sure thing, but you can reach 6H.

2NT - 3D (1)
3H - 4H (1)
... - Pass / 6H


(1) SI with hearts in the context of Transfer / Texas Transfer

With kind regards
Marlowe

[Bbradley62]

 P_Marlowe, on 2013-January-12, 15:34, said:

you can bid 6H, played by North, it is not a sure thing, but you can reach 6H.

It's pretty gosh-darned close to a sure thing.

[Cyberyeti]

 kayin801, on 2013-January-12, 13:25, said:

2NT-4♦
4♥-4NT
5♥-6♥
6NT-P

6NT should be obvious because the bidding either indicates we have all the key cards but no heart Q so hearts can be set up for one loser, or we're off a key but hearts have a good chance to run.

I think the S hand is good enough to just keycard opposite a big balanced hand, the 6 nearly solid hearts are huge.

No offense, but I don't find this to be an interesting bridge hand, it's rather typical, sorry The only way I'd find this more interesting is if you wanted to make an argument that the N hand is too good for 2NT, which is fair.

This hand is not interesting if you play 3♦ and 4♦ as transfers, if you play more normal UK intermediate methods where only 3♦ is a transfer and 3♦ followed by 4N is quantitative, it's a lot more awkward.

This hand would give me a problem and I'd be punting, but would have several choices about how I went about it (we play 2N-4♦ as 5-5 majors).

[lalldonn]

If you prefer to open 1♣ then I would bid this way

1♣ 1♥
2♦ 3♥
4NT some answer
6NT

The two important bids are 3♥, to force to game with a good suit, and 6NT since north knows he is off an ace it may be important to protect either king and he will have enough tricks in notrump.

[Fluffy]

 Cyberyeti, on 2013-January-12, 16:42, said:

This hand is not interesting if you play 3♦ and 4♦ as transfers, if you play more normal UK intermediate methods where only 3♦ is a transfer and 3♦ followed by 4N is quantitative, it's a lot more awkward.

This hand would give me a problem and I'd be punting, but would have several choices about how I went about it (we play 2N-4♦ as 5-5 majors).

I have the same problem and I overcome this with 2-way bids, they don't come up very often and I am not really sure if they are very good.

2NT-3♦
3NT-4m is a 2 way bid that shows either the minor or a fragment with 6+ hearts. Opener assumes natural and if he cuebids (4♠ here) there will be 6 keycard blackwood.

I use GF transfers where 3NT denies 3♥. If you don't probably this idea doesn't work for you.

[Cyberyeti]

 Fluffy, on 2013-January-12, 17:41, said:

I have the same problem and I overcome this with 2-way bids, they don't come up very often and I am not really sure if they are very good.

2NT-3♦
3NT-4m is a 2 way bid that shows either the minor or a fragment with 6+ hearts. Opener assumes natural and if he cuebids (4♠ here) there will be 6 keycard blackwood.

I use GF transfers where 3NT denies 3♥. If you don't probably this idea doesn't work for you.

We don't use GF transfers hence are forced into 2N-3♦-3♥-4♠(KC)-5♦(2 without)-6♥-6N if we open 2N.

1♣-1♥-2N(GF unbal)-3♣(semi forced)-3♦(bigger than a reverse, this hand is not much above minimum for a 2245, not 3♥)-3♥(6 card suit)-4♠(keycard)-5♥(2+Q)-6N if we open 1♣.

[aguahombre]

 Cyberyeti, on 2013-January-12, 16:42, said:

This hand is not interesting if you play 3♦ and 4♦ as transfers, if you play more normal UK intermediate methods where only 3♦ is a transfer and 3♦ followed by 4N is quantitative, it's a lot more awkward.

Maybe awkward, but successful if you did that.

As a side note, awkward would be responder Keycarding after Texas with XX and XXX in two side suits.

[Lord Molyb]

Er, sorry, there's a slight error in the north hand. Was the jack of diamonds, not the seven.

[FrancesHinden]

 Cyberyeti, on 2013-January-12, 16:42, said:

This hand is not interesting if you play 3♦ and 4♦ as transfers, if you play more normal UK intermediate methods where only 3♦ is a transfer and 3♦ followed by 4N is quantitative, it's a lot more awkward.

This hand would give me a problem and I'd be punting, but would have several choices about how I went about it (we play 2N-4♦ as 5-5 majors).

It's not particularly awkward.
If you don't play a great deal of science, just look at your hand and observe it has a solid 6-card suit and an outside ace opposite a 2NT opening, and bid 6NT
This is more a matter of hand evaluation than detailed systemic understandings.

p.s. the common UK intermediate method is that 3D is a transfer, then 4NT is keycard. Most people who play 4NT as quantitative on that auction have some way of making a slam try in hearts.

[TWO4BRIDGE]

What is a New suit-after-transfer :
2NT - 3D! ( transfer )
3H - 3S*/4C/4D = ?? ( ?? advance cue-bid showing 6+♥, slammish )

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
3S would not be needed to show 5h/4s since a Smolen sequence would show that
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

Thus:
2NT - 3D!
3H - 4D ( Ctrl cue; denying both ♠ and ♣ Ctrls )
4S! ( kickback -RKC ) - 5H ( 4th step = 2 + ♥ Q )
6H

This post has been edited by TWO4BRIDGE: 2013-January-13, 07:59

[Cyberyeti]

 FrancesHinden, on 2013-January-13, 04:19, said:

Most people who play 4NT as quantitative on that auction have some way of making a slam try in hearts.

You normally bid a fake new suit then blackwood, but it's embarrassing if you bid 4♦ and partner raises.

[TWO4BRIDGE]

I just thought of an alternative using a Meckwell sequence to show a good long Major:

Since the Voidwood sequences begin with a Texas Transfer :
2NT - 4D!
4H - ??
....... 4S = kickback-RKC
.......4NT = Voidwood, excluding ♠
....... 5C = Voidwood, excluding ♣
....... 5D = Voidwood, excluding ♦

Meckwell came up with an alternative way of bidding 4S/4NT/5C/5D and 5H :

2NT - 3D! ( simple transfer )
3H - ??
....... 4S! = Quantitative
The next 4 steps are "replies" as if 4S ( kickback-RKC ) had been "asked":
.......4NT! = 0 or 3
....... 5C! = 1 or 4
....... 5D! = 2 - ♥Q
....... 5H! = 2 + ♥Q

Thus, after the 5H! "reply", Opener bids 6H

This post has been edited by TWO4BRIDGE: 2013-January-14, 09:17

[Zelandakh]

For me
1♣ = 15+ nat/bal or 18+ any
... - 1NT = hearts or hearts and clubs, GF
2♣ = relay
... - 2♦ = hearts
2♥ = relay
... - 2♠ = 3 spades
2NT = relay
... - 3♥ = 3622
4♣ = puppet to 4♦
... - 4♦
4♠ = RKCB for hearts
... - 5♥ = 2 or 5 with ♥Q
6♥


For an Acol class, perhaps
2♣ = 8 tricks in a suit or 22+ bal
... - 2♥ = nat, positive
2NT = 22-23 bal
... - 3♥ = nat
(3♠ = cue)
(... - 4♦ = cue)
4NT = RKCB
... - 5♠ = 2 or 5 with ♥Q
6NT

[MrAce]

I would open 1♣ and go on as lalldonn suggested without agreements.


In my prefered system

1♣--2♥ (invitational 6 cards)
2NT(asking suit quality)--and eventually end up in 6NT after N learns ♦ A and KQJxxx ♥