[NickB50014]

♠A Q 10 x x x x x x x
♥Q
♦Q x

Im dealer, how do I accurately describe this hand? Im thinking 2♣ then bidding 3 or 4 ♠ to any response. If my Partner has Kx of diamonds I can see game pretty much guaranteed no matter how bad the spades are split (bar a 3-0 spade split and that opponent having A♥ and A♦)

Any advice? I saw this hand on a bridge app on my smart phone

[manudude03]

I would just open 4S, may bid more if the opponents come in.

[TWO4BRIDGE]

4S or PASS ( and then "walk the dog" to 4S for a DBL )

[NickB50014]

I actually did bid 4S, making 7 as P had:
♦A J 10 x
♥K J x
♠x
♣x x x x x

and I received a low heart lead, let it go to my queen, ran queen of diamonds via a successful finesse, drew trump led to ace of diamonds and claimed. Any lead but a low heart holds it to 6.

[wyman]

Swap partner's minors, and making 4 (!) requires trumps to break.

4S is fine.

[the hog]

4S or 1S. Passing is a joke, as is opening 2C.

[rmnka447]

4 S seems right.

You're lucky to make 7 on the hand. D K has to set right and the opponents never cashed the H A.

[lalldonn]

I would never open 4♠. I don't see any problem with 1♠. All these comments of what had to go right for you to have a slam, are what had to go right for you to have a slam opposite a 9 count. Partner would pass a 4♠ opening with a way better hand.

[the hog]

lalldonn, on 2013-January-01, 20:10, said:

I would never open 4♠. I don't see any problem with 1♠. All these comments of what had to go right for you to have a slam, are what had to go right for you to have a slam opposite a 9 count. Partner would pass a 4♠ opening with a way better hand.

After posting I thought about this further. I agree that 1S is far better than 4S.Partner will pass many hands on which slam is cold. I still contend that a pass and a 2C opening are joke bids.

[P_Marlowe]

NickB50014, on 2013-January-01, 15:53, said:

♠A Q 10 x x x x x x x
♥Q
♦Q x

Im dealer, how do I accurately describe this hand?
<snip>

You cant.

[Cyberyeti]

the hog, on 2013-January-01, 18:36, said:

4S or 1S. Passing is a joke, as is opening 2C.

I've been dealt 10 card suits 3 times and got crap results on all.

The two decent hands, I passed and came in later, the weak one I preempted to the max and found an oppo had 3 trump tricks.

The other two I got to the technically correct place but in one made 6♣ without it being doubled as it was at the other table, and reached 6♠ with AQJ 10th opposite a void like everybody else, but at my table the guy with Kx of trumps in front of me worked out dummy didn't have any and doubled.

Passing is not a joke, you can often find out a lot more about what's going on by doing so, but this may not be as useful as you think, often making them guess will work better.

I think I open this one 1♠.

[the hog]

Cyberyeti, on 2013-January-02, 13:16, said:

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Passing is not a joke, you can often find out a lot more about what's going on by doing so, but this may not be as useful as you think, often making them guess will work better.

I think I open this one 1♠.

You are correct in that passing might work against beginners or weak club players.

[Cyberyeti]

the hog, on 2013-January-02, 20:33, said:

You are correct in that passing might work against beginners or weak club players.

Actually no.

Example:

void, Ax, x, AKJ 10th I passed, and the auction went 4♠-P-P which told me that partner likely had a little and it was most likely in the reds so I bid the cold 6♣.

AQJ 10th, void, void, xxx

I passed, and parner was able to show me something like a 0454 18 count so I could make an intelligent guess where to play and chose 6♠. He would have had a horrible guess if I'd opened a load of spades.

[Fluffy]

Cyberyeti, I think you have an overlearning from few samples problem, passing with those hands is not going to work well in the long run.

[Cyberyeti]

Fluffy, on 2013-January-03, 07:12, said:

Cyberyeti, I think you have an overlearning from few samples problem, passing with those hands is not going to work well in the long run.

You create different problems by preempting hard on these hands. No system is built to deal with them really in 1st or 2nd seat. I actually see little difference between pass and opening one of a suit on most that aren't huge, but I prefer to have some high cards to open 1. Sometimes you will just get the info you need if you keep quiet.

[wyman]

This is pretty interesting. My first thought was 1S looking at this, too, but then it seems like (a) I know the strain we're playing in, (b) it's going to be difficult to extract useful bits from partner (we don't really expect him to raise, right? And even if he GFs, what auctions will convince us that we can go slamming?), and © it's very likely that we will be preempted, and while I have a pretty good idea of what I'm planning to do if partner dbls them in 5C, I have little confidence that it's right.

I don't think 4S is auto by any means, but I wonder how the 1S folks intend to intelligently use the additional space, and whether they feel it's worth giving the opps room to find their presumably massive fit.

[lycier]

I play namyats,so open 4♦ with 8.5-9 tricks.

[Zelandakh]

lycier, on 2013-January-03, 10:29, said:

I play namyats,so open 4♦ with 8.5-9 tricks.

And with 9.5?

[lalldonn]

wyman, on 2013-January-03, 07:59, said:

This is pretty interesting. My first thought was 1S looking at this, too, but then it seems like (a) I know the strain we're playing in, (b) it's going to be difficult to extract useful bits from partner (we don't really expect him to raise, right? And even if he GFs, what auctions will convince us that we can go slamming?), and © it's very likely that we will be preempted, and while I have a pretty good idea of what I'm planning to do if partner dbls them in 5C, I have little confidence that it's right.

I don't think 4S is auto by any means, but I wonder how the 1S folks intend to intelligently use the additional space, and whether they feel it's worth giving the opps room to find their presumably massive fit.

If there is no interference then if partner makes a 2/1 I will rebid 3♠ to start cuebidding. If partner responds 1NT I will rebid 4♣. I don't care about the opponents bidding. I am going to outbid them with my ten spades!!!

[PhilKing]

I don't know about anyone else, but I am pretty shocked that the app doesn't provide a clearcut answer.