Was South allowed to rescue this contract?
#21
Posted 2012-November-22, 10:23
South should basically "bid as if partner had properly alerted her bid", i.e. assume partner knows what he's doing.
So if you think an alert partner would bid 3♦ as "pick a major" you should pick a major, and if you think partner could be bidding 4♦ as natural you should pass that.
And if the only possible reason partner would bid 4♦ is because they've forgotten the system (and I'd say that is the case here), then you are ethically allowed to try 4♥, but this probably won't help anyway as he might then just bid 5♦ over you.
Incidentally 4♦x went seven off for 1700. But for mild compensation, the opponents did have their 3NT game.
#22
Posted 2012-November-22, 10:30
I find it interesting that the ACBL alert regulation, in its definitions section, differentiates between "cue bid" and "control bid", which to me implies that the alert rules on "cue bids" do not apply to "control bids". What makes that interesting? "Control bids" are not mentioned at all anywhere else in the alert regulation than the definitions. So a "control bid", since it is not natural according to the alert regulation, always requires an alert (no exceptions), though frequently the bid will be above 3NT and at or after opener's second turn to call, so the alert will be delayed. I've never seen anyone do this.
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#23
Posted 2012-November-22, 11:23
bluejak, on 2012-November-21, 19:37, said:
I don't generally look, either. But if they don't state the jurisdiction, I do, since I'd rather make an educated guess than a wild guess. And it's not like you have to make any great effort: the OP's location is about 2 inches below the thread title.
Of course it would be better if posters were explicit. It would also be better if people provided complete explanations when claiming, but we make do without that as well.
#24
Posted 2012-November-22, 15:14
As for tv, screw it. You aren't missing anything. -- Ken Berg
I have come to realise it is futile to expect or hope a regular club game will be run in accordance with the laws. -- Jillybean
#25
Posted 2012-November-23, 05:00
barmar, on 2012-November-22, 11:23, said:
I agree. Most likely the OP lives about 30 miles South of Indianapolis along I65. But don't underestimate the possibility that he lives somewhere in say err.. Scotland.
Rik
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#28
Posted 2012-November-23, 13:24
barmar, on 2012-November-23, 11:24, said:
To what "common sense" are you referring?
As for tv, screw it. You aren't missing anything. -- Ken Berg
I have come to realise it is futile to expect or hope a regular club game will be run in accordance with the laws. -- Jillybean
#30
Posted 2012-November-24, 22:48
As for tv, screw it. You aren't missing anything. -- Ken Berg
I have come to realise it is futile to expect or hope a regular club game will be run in accordance with the laws. -- Jillybean
#31
Posted 2012-November-24, 23:00
The "common sense" in incomplete claims is that when declarer faces his hand, and we can all see that he has all winners (or he's already started a cross-ruff and it's obvious that he intends to complete it), he doesn't need to make any statement at all.
#32
Posted 2012-November-24, 23:06
As for tv, screw it. You aren't missing anything. -- Ken Berg
I have come to realise it is futile to expect or hope a regular club game will be run in accordance with the laws. -- Jillybean
#33
Posted 2012-November-24, 23:17
#34
Posted 2012-November-24, 23:19
From the Oxford American Dictionary: word trends: The exclamation whatever is disliked intensely by many for the attitude of indifference and contempt it conveys. Popularized by the affluent Valley Girls of 1980s California, whatever has grown in use as a powerfully dismissive way to end a conversation ever since: "Whatever," he said and pulled his hood up and swaggered off. It can also be used to imply disagreement with a preceding statement ( They are telling me it's about time I earned my own money. Whatever!) or disbelief ( We found out later that she was casting for a major motion picture, and we were all like "Oh, yeah, whatever!"), and is even used as shorthand for everything seen to be wrong with the modern world, embodying apathy and refusal to accept responsibility: the board will probably brush this off, and say, "Hey, whatever!".
This post has been edited by blackshoe: 2012-November-24, 23:23
Reason for edit: I've got to stop using "whatever" this way!
As for tv, screw it. You aren't missing anything. -- Ken Berg
I have come to realise it is futile to expect or hope a regular club game will be run in accordance with the laws. -- Jillybean
#35
Posted 2012-November-24, 23:29
We'd like posters to include jurisdiction ~ we'd like players to give complete claim statements
In both cases, if they don't we can often do better than just guess. "Common sense" is the term I use for the way we fill in the missing information.
#36
Posted 2012-November-24, 23:45
As for tv, screw it. You aren't missing anything. -- Ken Berg
I have come to realise it is futile to expect or hope a regular club game will be run in accordance with the laws. -- Jillybean