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3 hearts, 4 clubs or 4 hearts Which one is right?
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Posted 2012-August-03, 10:53
wyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:
Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the ♥3.
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Posted 2012-August-03, 11:01
prefer 4c.
4.5 loser hand with great h and void in clubs.
4.5 loser hand with great h and void in clubs.
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Posted 2012-August-03, 11:08
4♣ for me, unless you respond really light.
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Posted 2012-August-03, 11:26
I'm so alergic to splinters from early abuse of same by partners when I started, I don't play them anymore.
A 2♠ reverse followed by 4♥ is called for in this style and that's if pard responds a "slow down" 2nt bid. Anything else is a game force and we are in the slam zone so this could work out too.
A 2♠ reverse followed by 4♥ is called for in this style and that's if pard responds a "slow down" 2nt bid. Anything else is a game force and we are in the slam zone so this could work out too.
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Posted 2012-August-03, 11:41
I would consider 4♦, but I think 4♣ is ultimately more descriptive - any honors outside of clubs are useful, any in clubs are not. It also allows for a 4♦ last train.
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Posted 2012-August-03, 12:58
you have enough to bid 4h and the 4c bid lets p know
immediately where a lot of your game going value came
from (short clubs). The fact that you bid 4c immediately should
get the idea across that you do not have a ton of power (you
would have chosen reverses or other forcing bids to show power).
immediately where a lot of your game going value came
from (short clubs). The fact that you bid 4c immediately should
get the idea across that you do not have a ton of power (you
would have chosen reverses or other forcing bids to show power).
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Posted 2012-August-03, 16:01
not interesting yet. 4♣, no second choice.
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Posted 2012-August-03, 16:48
The Diamonds aren't solid enough for you to think about 4♦, so I will splinter with 4♣ as well. Glad to see there's a few people who know what the auction 1m - 1M ; 4m means.
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Posted 2012-August-03, 17:24
I like 4D better than many of the other posters do.. but among the 3 listed choices 4C is the standout.
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Posted 2012-August-03, 17:42
inquiry, on 2012-August-03, 16:01, said:
not interesting yet. 4♣, no second choice.
Does it still deny a spade control for you Ben?
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Posted 2012-August-03, 17:50
Siegmund, on 2012-August-03, 17:24, said:
I like 4D better than many of the other posters do.. but among the 3 listed choices 4C is the standout.
I like the descriptive 4♦! also ( showing GF values with 4h/6d w/shortness in one of the blacks ) CWNN ( Convention With No Name )....
Only 15 hcp but it's a 5 loser hand with a fit afterall .
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Posted 2012-August-03, 20:10
Unfortunately, we cannot choose between 4D and 4C. 4♣ is the same "No name" 4-6, but slammish, not a splinter for us.
So, our choice is between 4D non slammish 4-6 and tucking in with 3♥ (about 16-18 support points, unbalanced). With XXX AKQX KQJXXX V, 4D would be obvious. With this one, yuk. 3♥, but close to lying with 4♦
So, our choice is between 4D non slammish 4-6 and tucking in with 3♥ (about 16-18 support points, unbalanced). With XXX AKQX KQJXXX V, 4D would be obvious. With this one, yuk. 3♥, but close to lying with 4♦
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Posted 2012-August-04, 10:35
specting partner to move over 4♥ when we have ♥AKQ is ridicoulius, we need to make a slam try ourselves.
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Posted 2012-August-06, 20:13
Phil, on 2012-August-03, 17:42, said:
Does it still deny a spade control for you Ben?
In established partnerships were we have discussed splinters, yes. It would deny first or second round control of the 4th suit... just what I have here. Sadly, my primary partners who I played this with are not playing (one had a stroke a few years back, the other has stopped playing). My current partner knows the splinter rules, he just forgets them, or overlooks them, from time to time.
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Posted 2012-August-06, 20:48
TWO4BRIDGE, on 2012-August-03, 17:50, said:
I like the descriptive 4♦! also ( showing GF values with 4h/6d w/shortness in one of the blacks ) CWNN ( Convention With No Name )....
Only 15 hcp but it's a 5 loser hand with a fit afterall .
Only 15 hcp but it's a 5 loser hand with a fit afterall .
Fo most players 4D should show solid/semi solid Ds which you do not have.
I would bid 4C.
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Posted 2012-August-06, 22:58
I'll join in with those preferring 4 ♣.
The ♦ suit isn't good enough for 4 ♦.
You do have a 4 loser hand, but really don't have good honor texture in the pointed suits you hold.
So 4 ♣ seems the most descriptive. It also assures you'll get to game which your loser count indicates is right.
If you held something like ♠ Axx ♥ AKxx ♦ AJ10xxx ♣ - , you might consider a jump shift to 2 ♠ followed by a jump in ♥s.
4 ♥, I think, should be reserved for those flattish 19-20 point mooses where you're bidding game on the powerfulness of your hand.
The ♦ suit isn't good enough for 4 ♦.
You do have a 4 loser hand, but really don't have good honor texture in the pointed suits you hold.
So 4 ♣ seems the most descriptive. It also assures you'll get to game which your loser count indicates is right.
If you held something like ♠ Axx ♥ AKxx ♦ AJ10xxx ♣ - , you might consider a jump shift to 2 ♠ followed by a jump in ♥s.
4 ♥, I think, should be reserved for those flattish 19-20 point mooses where you're bidding game on the powerfulness of your hand.
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