[akhare]

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[mike777]

pass seems ok give pard:


Qx...AKQxxx....AJx....xx

[chasetb]

Sure, you have a little more than partner might expect, but in this kind of sequence partner is usually bidding your hand along with his. You could easily be off 2 Aces and a trump or another loser, or have a hand like mike777 gave and get overruffed. By the way, I was watching your table, and by a 3-2 margin (I was one of the three) the kibitzers felt that Pass was better than bidding on.

I just wish Jill wasn't so timid (no offense meant jillybean, just an observation based on today) - in a study Larry Cohen did on a million hands, 3♣ was the most effective pre-empt of the bunch (if not opening bid), and the North hand had 6-7 tricks.

This post has been edited by chasetb: 2012-June-23, 17:20

[jillybean]

yeah, I was sitting first seat 854,V,A52,QJT8543 W vs. R and did not preempt.
My preempt style has been very agressive, my partners much more conservative so my openings are in a state of change
at the moment, I am trying to be more conservative. I should have have opened 3♣ here.

[lalldonn]

I would pass with east. Partner needs a lot of leeway in these situations.

I would open xxx - Axx QJT8xxx w/r in 1st seat 4♣ and to be honest I don't think it's that close. Stick it to them, that's what this vulnerability is for.

[Phil]

jillybean, on 2012-June-23, 18:24, said:

yeah, I was sitting first seat 854,V,A52,QJT8543 W vs. R and did not preempt.
My preempt style has been very agressive, my partners much more conservative so my openings are in a state of change
at the moment, I am trying to be more conservative. I should have have opened 3♣ here.

Jilly, you were extremely conservative (timid?) on a few boards like this.

Agree this is a 4♣ opener.

[cherdano]

lalldonn, on 2012-June-23, 18:32, said:

I would pass with east. Partner needs a lot of leeway in these situations.

I would open xxx - Axx QJT8xxx w/r in 1st seat 4♣ and to be honest I don't think it's that close. Stick it to them, that's what this vulnerability is for.

I think anything but pass is just bad evaluation - this isn't just about giving partner leeway. I mean, with xxx AKQxxx Axx x I wouldn't be ashamed at all of my 4♥ bid, and on an unlucky day we are going down in 4♥.

Agree that the 3073 hand is a 4♣ opener.

[gszes]

I am sort of right on power but i have a ton of intangibles
huge trump fit
singleton in just the right spot
the interior spades greatly improving chance of zero losers


downside

our dia Q with power to our left may be overrated but at least we have it.

My main problem if decidng to take action is how;;;;
4s seems ideal but is too scary as a natural sounding bid
4n no way this hand can suddenly take control
5h seems to be asking p for club control (with a stronger hand)
so I chose a simple



5c



This does not deny a spade control due to the natural meaning of 4s.
If p can bid 5d (this does not promise a spade control for same reason
only a desire to compete further) we can then press on with a 5s bid.



There is some risk that we will run into a hand where 4h makes exactly
(going down 1 extra trick no bid deal). But this is offset by the huge
rewards that can be gained if we make slam.