BBO Discussion Forums: Bid all four hands - BBO Discussion Forums

Jump to content

Page 1 of 1
  • You cannot start a new topic
  • You cannot reply to this topic

Bid all four hands

#1 User is offline   sailoranch 

  • PipPipPipPip
  • Group: Full Members
  • Posts: 155
  • Joined: 2007-November-13
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Chula Vista, CA

Posted 2012-May-24, 11:35



East-West vulnerable at IMPs, South's deal. Everyone's playing 2/1. How does your auction proceed?
Kaya!
0

#2 User is offline   Phil 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 10,092
  • Joined: 2008-December-11
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:North Texas, USA
  • Interests:Mountain Biking

Posted 2012-May-24, 11:49

A likely auction seems to be 2 - pass - 4 - AP. A spade or a diamond lead sets it - a club lets 4 in.

There are some variations.

1. South might open 1 which is not my choice but others would. If this happens, West would overcall and North would make a heart raise. East would support spades in some fashion and its likely at some point EW are bidding 4 over 4.

2. Over 2, West might overcall 2. It works well here.
Hi y'all!

Winner - BBO Challenge bracket #6 - February, 2017.
1

#3 User is offline   Foxx 

  • PipPipPipPip
  • Group: Full Members
  • Posts: 338
  • Joined: 2003-February-15
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:La Jolla, California
  • Interests:Being quick, brown, and foxy; Jumping over lazy dogs

Posted 2012-May-24, 15:24

First seat, white on red? If I have that South hand, I'm opening 1. With 5-5 in the black suits, West bids 2. North has a good limit raise in hearts and cue-bids 2. Now East has A10x in West's spades, another ace, and the queen of West's minor will be fitting, so he shows a hand just short of a game drive by return-cue-bidding 3.

South now pushes 4 on the strength of his distribution, and West has to decide whether to go on. If he passes, East will double 4, down one. West can also bid 4, and if he finds the Q during the play, it will make. N-S can hardly find their club ruff.

If South wants to take out insurance, he can lay out -300 by bidding 5 over 4.
0

#4 User is offline   Yu18772 

  • PipPipPipPip
  • Group: Full Members
  • Posts: 466
  • Joined: 2010-August-31
  • Gender:Female
  • Location:Los Angeles

Posted 2012-May-24, 18:43

View PostPhil, on 2012-May-24, 11:49, said:

A likely auction seems to be 2 - pass - 4 - AP. A spade or a diamond lead sets it - a club lets 4 in.

+1
I would not consider overcalling 2 red with these cards over a preempt, but may be its wrong?

White vs red many would open 1 - West overcalls spades (imo this is not 2 suited 2 vulnerable with such poor clubs) - I know some that would overcall 2 and some that would overcall 1. So I can imagine 2 auctions:
1H - 1S - 2S - 3H/3S/X (whatever they play for invitational values and support)
P - P(3S) - 4H - P
P - 4S

or
1H - 2S - 4H - P?
Posted Image Yu
Yehudit Hasin

"But I don't want to go among mad people," Alice remarked.
"Oh, you can't help that," said the Cat: "we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad."
"How do you know I'm mad?" said Alice.
"You must be," said the Cat, "or you wouldn't have come here."
0

#5 User is offline   Codo 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 6,373
  • Joined: 2003-March-15
  • Location:Hamburg, Germany
  • Interests:games and sports, esp. bridge,chess and (beach-)volleyball

Posted 2012-May-25, 00:48

South: 1 (far two strong for 2 )
West: pass (I do not overcall 1 Spade enough, I know...and the suits are too bad for 2 at this vul.)
North: Whatever I use to show a 4+ card raise with 12-14 points)
East pass
South 4 all pass,

made or -1
Kind Regards

Roland


Sanity Check: Failure (Fluffy)
More system is not the answer...
0

#6 User is offline   Zelandakh 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 10,738
  • Joined: 2006-May-18
  • Gender:Not Telling

Posted 2012-May-25, 02:24

Lots of possibilities. All of
1. 1 - 1 - 2! - 3!; 4
2. 1 - 1 - 2! - 3!; 4 - 4
3. 1 - P - 3! - P; 4
4. 1 - P - 3 - P; 4
5. 1 - 2! - 2! - 3!; 4
6. 1 - 2! - 2! - 3!; 4 - 4
7. 2 - P - 4
8. 2! - P - 3! - P; 4

seem reasonable and there are some other possibilities too.
(-: Zel :-)
0

#7 User is offline   Phil 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 10,092
  • Joined: 2008-December-11
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:North Texas, USA
  • Interests:Mountain Biking

Posted 2012-May-25, 08:53

I hope people aren't looking at the South hand and thinking, "oh, 6-4 and a 10 count? Easy 1", or worse yet, "we have 10 cards in our two longest suits and 10 points, so I'll open".
Hi y'all!

Winner - BBO Challenge bracket #6 - February, 2017.
0

#8 User is offline   Cthulhu D 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 1,169
  • Joined: 2011-November-21
  • Gender:Not Telling
  • Location:Australia
  • Interests:Overbidding

Posted 2012-May-25, 09:15

South hand is right on the border line for me to open, so it would probably go - 2! (Multi) - Pass - 2S! (Pass or correct) - Pass - 4H - All Pass.

If south opens 1 though, he loses big time.

1 - 2! (Spades + clubs) - 3 - 4 - Not sure what south will do, probably pass.
0

#9 User is offline   phil_20686 

  • Scotland
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 2,754
  • Joined: 2008-August-22
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Scotland

Posted 2012-May-25, 11:51

View PostPhil, on 2012-May-25, 08:53, said:

I hope people aren't looking at the South hand and thinking, "oh, 6-4 and a 10 count? Easy 1", or worse yet, "we have 10 cards in our two longest suits and 10 points, so I'll open".


I was mostly thinking, isnt it lucky I play semi constructive weak twos. :)

Playing std weak two's I think this isnt quite right for a first in 2H, its got a poorish suit, and fairly decent defence. I don't mind 2H particularly, but prefer 1H. Its close.

Regardless, I would overcall spades. Over 1H its obviously completely clear, but over 2H I have often found that the tactical advantage outweighs the disadvantage for being outside our range. If partner has passed I have an obvious pass. But its too easy to be screwed over when partner has some 14 count with too many hearts for a dble of 4H.

After a 2H openeing, north has an easy 4H bid, but over 1H I think north is a bit too good, and has a bit much defence, so I would opt for 2N, a good, offensive (basically 4Cards) raise. This gives east a good chance to show his support. I would opt for 3H over 2N, to show a good raise. South will leap to 4H, and Now I suspect that will end the auction. East has too much defence to press on, and west has already done plenty by overcalling at all.

so I prefer:

1H 1S 2N 3H
4H AP

But also like

2H 2S 4H 4S
AP

And have no problem with

2H p 4H AP.
The physics is theoretical, but the fun is real. - Sheldon Cooper
0

#10 User is offline   sailoranch 

  • PipPipPipPip
  • Group: Full Members
  • Posts: 155
  • Joined: 2007-November-13
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Chula Vista, CA

Posted 2012-May-25, 15:42

Thanks for your replies. I was wondering how everyone would open the South hand. To me, both 1 and 2 have flaws, but I'd probably open 1. I normally like some quick tricks to go with my rule of 20, but a weak two also seems like a fib.

After 1, my clones would probably go 1 - 2- 2NT (limit+), similar to what others have suggested. Since 3 is available and would show some offense without being too forward going, I think opener would choose that over passing. Likewise, West bids only 3 as he's already overcalled on shape. North has an obvious 4 now.

I guess East passes? Defending seems like a reasonable prospect, and if the North-South bids are anywhere close to being believable, West should be minimum (with shape).

Of course, there's something to be said for a simple 2 - 4.
Kaya!
0

Page 1 of 1
  • You cannot start a new topic
  • You cannot reply to this topic

2 User(s) are reading this topic
0 members, 2 guests, 0 anonymous users