[dwar0123]

2/1 gf imps

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So I guess we have 3 questions.

1. Did north have his double given partners bidding?
2. What exactly does south show with the 3♠ bid?
3. Should south run to 5♣ here?

[mgoetze]

 dwar0123, on 2012-May-04, 16:23, said:

1. Did north have his double given partners bidding?

No - at IMPs it's not worthwhile to try and convert 50 to 100 at the price of telling opps how to play the trump suit.

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2. What exactly does south show with the 3♠ bid?

A substantially stronger hand than he had.

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3. Should south run to 5♣ here?

Abstain.

[Phil]

South is crazy.

[broze]

Yeah, the 3♠ bid is not even worth discussion.

[inquiry]

 Phil, on 2012-May-04, 16:39, said:

South is crazy.

Sorry, this is an understatement...

[gszes]

3s is trying too hard to thread the needle by finding a spade
fit. If p has clubs and "sacs" at 5c its bad period. The opps
have found a fit and are looking for game at least that leaves
p with precious lttle resources.

The x was poor no matter how much you envision in p hand while
all of your values are in opps suit the also seem to be
finessable with the bidding reinforcing the concept of your
probable distribution. You might easily have zero tricks
not a great hand to x with.

[aguahombre]

South is getting bombarded with distainful comments. Allow me to add another

Furthermore, I have sympathy with North's double of 4H. He knows his partner, and is trying to shut him up.

[Codo]

I had doubled 4 ♥ expecting 1100 not 100. My partner bids a hand with around 5 tricks in my short suits, what do I waiting for? Do I want to here a 4 ♠ or 5 ♣ bid.

South is playing something weird, no need to comment.

[mikl_plkcc]

I would not double the 4♥ with 4 ♥s, but always double with 5 ♥s since in most cases 4♥ cannot make with such distribution.

[wyman]

 mgoetze, on 2012-May-04, 16:38, said:

at the price of telling opps how to play the trump suit.

I agree north shouldn't rip it at IMPs, but south already bid 2C-3S. Is east really going to play trumps wrong when EW have only 6 diamonds between them?

[mgoetze]

 wyman, on 2012-May-06, 07:28, said:

I agree north shouldn't rip it at IMPs, but south already bid 2C-3S. Is east really going to play trumps wrong when EW have only 6 diamonds between them?

Competent opponents will remember even those parts of the auction when playing, of course, but it seems to me we are not talking about a very high standard game here.

[aguahombre]

The quality of partner would be my only concern. With a decent one who actually looked at her hand during the earlier auction and again while sitting for the double, the location of the defenders' (our) hearts would be mildly interesting while they were going for a number.

[han]

I don't agree that south showed a strong hand in terms of HCP. South showed a distributional hand with clubs and spades, not defense.

5C was really bad though.

[Fluffy]

5♣ is totaly hopeless, after showing extreme ofence he wants to bid again?, bidding further is like telling partner that he is a jerk and he knows nothing about this game.

Double and 3♠ are bad, I think 3♠ is worse but close.

[dwar0123]

Well it looks like I am the one mostly to blame for this. I thought the 3♠ was very pushy when I made it, but apparently my sanity is in fact in question.

I was pretty confident that I wasn't showing high card points, due to the lack of a double and hence my defensive values were questionable. I pulled it because I was afraid my partner would be counting on me for more then I had in this regards. This dissonance between these two positions is probably a major sign I am wrong. If I can't trust my partner's double based on my bidding, then my bidding is probably wrong.

However, given that I did not double nor bid michaels, what type of hand am I showing with this bid. I know it was stated stronger but I could use an actual example please.

[CSGibson]

AKxx x xx AKxxxx would be around my minimum expected for this sequence, and I'm uncomfortable with my sequence if I really don't have any spots in my two suits.

If I'm bidding spades, I have a reason. Jxxx is not a reason.

[Fluffy]

I think KQxx KQxxxx wih nobody vul might be enough. But 6-4 is not the most likelly shape, because it would require both suits to be strong. 7-4 and 7-5 are more like it. with 6-5 you would normally do michel's, but maybe with suit disparity such as the ne oyu have here you might want to encourge clubs.

[lowerline]

1. Yes
2. More than he has
3. No

Without South's 3♠ North might not have doubled. So 100% to South.

That being said, you are a bit unlucky. Instead of bidding 3♦, East might just as well have bid 2♠. That would have been enough to shut up both North and South.

Steven

[the hog]

South is an absolute nutter.. The 3S bid showed a far better hand. The x was fine and the 5C bid was insane. How long has this player been playing, one week?

[dwar0123]

 Fluffy, on 2012-May-07, 01:14, said:

I think KQxx KQxxxx wih nobody vul might be enough. But 6-4 is not the most likelly shape, because it would require both suits to be strong. 7-4 and 7-5 are more like it. with 6-5 you would normally do michel's, but maybe with suit disparity such as the ne oyu have here you might want to encourge clubs.

Going by this, it seems the problem wasn't the hand strength it was just the quality of the spade suit?

 the hog, on 2012-May-07, 03:44, said:

South is an absolute nutter.. The 3S bid showed a far better hand. The x was fine and the 5C bid was insane. How long has this player been playing, one week?