[jillybean]

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[tolvyrj]

I know this place, i have been there before and almost always left there by beated to senseless. Prd has passed and i have 13 hcp. including two jacks. RHO bid a pre-empt and the guy with points sits on my left.
If i double LHO a) bids 3Nt and after prds ♠ lead takes 9 tricks via ♦ finesse making satanic chuckling noises since we could have take first 8 tricks if prd launches his K of ♣ to the first trick. Variation b) LHO passes and prd jumps to 4 ♠ with his 5341 hand and 9 hcp. and LHO nails our coffin close by dbl.
My choice would be 4♣ its a six card suit and over 4 ♦ if that is ever bid i can introduce my 4 card ♥. I know its not perfect solution and maybe not even best, but that is IMO this time

[nige1]

jillybean

Guesses from another learner:
IMO Double = 10, 4♣ = 7. Pass = 6, 5♣ = 5 3N = 2

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[CSGibson]

three calls come to mind: X, Pass, and 4♣

I really dislike the club bid, that seems to be aiming for an awfully small upside with a really big possible downside attached, so I stopped considering it fairly quickly. At first blush I was thinking take-out double. But we're vulnerable, partner is a passed hand, and the 3♦ bidder's partner is unlimited. Add in the fact that I'm minimum HCP wise, have less than perfect shape, and that I would feel really uncomfortable if partner bid spades or no trump or passed for penalty, and I'm starting to lean toward pass.

I've talked myself into passing. It could turn out wrong; in fact, I would not be surprised if it was a minority position or a losing strategy at MPs/Imps/whatever. I really would like to see someone sim this out, giving RHO 7 diamonds and something that looks like a 2nd seat white preempt, and constraining partner to be a passed hand (no 6 card majors/diamond suits, reasonably aggressive openings which include all 12 counts and most shapely 11 counts) and see how the obvious choices fare.

[Phil]

Please don't say you bid 4♣.

[mike777]

one call comes to mind x



with tough hands x or cuebid often helps alot.....

[the hog]

Only one call comes to mind - X. 4C is a very poor bid on this poor suit, not least of all because it bypasses 3NT. Besides for many 4C would be non Leaping Michaels.

[jillybean]

 Phil, on 2012-May-02, 21:33, said:

Please don't say you bid 4♣.

I didn't.
I doubled and partner bid 4♠ Actually, the hand wasn't as bad as I first thought.

[mike777]

 jillybean, on 2012-May-02, 23:15, said:

I didn't.
I doubled and partner bid 4♠ actually, the hand wasn't as bad as I first thought.

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well done on a tough one..

[ahydra]

I would X. I am really beginning to like the flexible style offered by X then new suit = two-suited not necessarily showing extras. But here you could even pass a 3S bid.

ahydra

[mgoetze]

X and I don't quite understand why others think this is difficult.

[broze]

Yes, a really obvious double, and I confess don't really understand the point of the post. You took the obvious action and it all worked out? The phrase "cool story bro" springs to mind!

[gwnn]

 broze, on 2012-May-03, 05:23, said:

Yes, a really obvious double, and I confess don't really understand the point of the post. You took the obvious action and it all worked out? The phrase "cool story bro" springs to mind!

Kind of a rude reply, no? She opened the thread because she doubled but she wasn't sure whether it was correct. In other words, it was not obvious to her.

[bluecalm]

It reminds me of discussion with one good player I recently had what is the minimum hand with 4-4-2-3 shape which we double with in this situation.
I am quite convinced that about any 13 is a double here while he says it's marginal at best and he probably would pass many 13's here.
For example those hands:
AQxx AQxx Jx xxx
AQxx AQxx xx Jxx
AQxx AQxx xx Qxx

They all looks like easy double to me. Thoughts ?

[broze]

 gwnn, on 2012-May-03, 05:50, said:

Kind of a rude reply, no? She opened the thread because she doubled but she wasn't sure whether it was correct. In other words, it was not obvious to her.

You're right. I apologise. Though if I posted every hand containing an action I was a little unsure of, including the ones that worked out well, I'd be creating hundreds of topics every month.

[gwnn]

 broze, on 2012-May-03, 06:03, said:

You're right. I apologise. Though if I posted every hand containing an action I was a little unsure of, including the ones that worked out well, I'd be creating hundreds of topics every month.

You're welcome to create as many topics as you like. It's a free country. There are some people who perhaps open too many threads, but there aren't too many. Jillybean is certainly not one of them. Plus, when she or someone else opens a thread, chances are other people have had that same type of problem before, too, and other people will profit from that.