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What is GIBs law of total tricks?

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Posted 2012-January-03, 00:26

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A. GIB doesnt have a 4th trump to justify the law
B. At these colors, double with GIBs hand is practically mandatory
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Posted 2012-January-03, 03:11

View PostYu18772, on 2012-January-03, 00:26, said:

http://tinyurl.com/88fjeea

A. GIB doesnt have a 4th trump to justify the law
B. At these colors, double with GIBs hand is practically mandatory
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The simulations strike again- overriding bidding rules.
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Posted 2012-January-03, 05:59

sorry but double is not 'practically mandatory' - in GIB's system double is penalty. You may double if you like with your trumps, but that is slightly aggressive.
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Posted 2012-January-03, 16:08

View PostYu18772, on 2012-January-03, 00:26, said:

http://tinyurl.com/88fjeea

A. GIB doesnt have a 4th trump to justify the law
B. At these colors, double with GIBs hand is practically mandatory
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A - correct, it will be fixed
B - GIB uses otherwise, it uses to show max values for the 2 and penalty length in spades. It's not reopening to test trap pass.

1 - Pass - 2 - 2
Double - is also penalty for GIB.

So in this case North "knows" partner didn't want to penalize the overcall as well.

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Posted 2012-January-04, 01:43

Ok, sorry about B- I didnt know that GIB plays it as actual spades rather than maximal hand with shortness (seems not very practical to me, but good to know).


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Posted 2012-January-04, 02:08

It is quite a common expert agreement (maximum balanced being the other one). maximum with shortness is odd.

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Posted 2012-January-04, 04:23

I guess formally it just shows a max hand for the raise and willingness to compete (unless partner can penalize). It is pretty rare that you want to compete with 9 points and 3 cards in opponents suit, so I dont remember when was the last time I (or my p) bid it with more than doubleton, especially forcing partner to 3 level over . This agreement always made more sense to me than waiting for the hand that has a singe raise only, but can penalty double a suit sitting in the finesse at 2 level opposite potentially minmum opener.
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"But I don't want to go among mad people," Alice remarked.
"Oh, you can't help that," said the Cat: "we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad."
"How do you know I'm mad?" said Alice.
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