[jillybean]

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3♣ = ♠ & ♣

MP, none Vul Your bid

[Fluffy]

I would bid again cos everything seems to work, bdding double or 5♠ is the question. Looks like they are easilly down, but we also make very likelly. I'd try 5 spades.

[pooltuna]

yes unless this is within the strength partner would expect for earlier bidding.

[aguahombre]

pooltuna, on 2011-September-19, 15:56, said:

yes unless this is within the strength partner would expect for earlier bidding.

Good question...is it? From another thread, we are pretty sure KTXXX KX X XXXXX is not part of the range for 3C.

[nigel_k]

I don't like showing a two suiter with six of a major and five of a minor. Anyway I would pass now as partner was under pressure and might bid 4♠ over 4♥ on all kinds of rubbish. It's certainly possible that partner will choose to defend when 5♠ is making but my hand is not so unusual that I can make the decision myself.

[ggwhiz]

I really dislike the methods.

I'm not invited to the party anymore but did it to myself.

[jillybean]

nigel_k, on 2011-September-19, 17:09, said:

I don't like showing a two suiter with six of a major and five of a minor. Anyway I would pass now as partner was under pressure and might bid 4♠ over 4♥ on all kinds of rubbish. It's certainly possible that partner will choose to defend when 5♠ is making but my hand is not so unusual that I can make the decision myself.

The 6♠ gave me some concern but rightly or wrongly, the suit quality made me down grade to a 55 type hand.

ggwhiz, on 2011-September-19, 21:58, said:

I really dislike the methods.

You're not alone here. However, I like having the ability to show specific 2 suited overcalls and I haven't missed the 3♣ call.

[Zelandakh]

I do not think the problem is that you use 3C for both black suits but rather that in doing so you make the range of the call too wide when including hands like this one. After all, you could have had something like QJTxx/x/xx/QJTxx perhaps? One obvious idea would be to make 3C unambiguously weak and to bid stronger hands via an overcall; an alternative is usually to use the cue bid for multiple hand types.

[ArtK78]

This is the downside of the shape first camp. Personally, when playing 2 suited overcalls, I like to make the bids when I have the right shape regardless of the strength of the hand or the ODR. There are many who play only weak or strong, with no intermediate hands, and there are others who play only weak hands.

So, you have shown your distribution (more or less) but you have extra offense and extra defense. What to do?

I don't think there is a right answer. Your choice of methods put you in a difficult situation, and you are going to have to guess your way out of it without conveying UI.

[Fluffy]

There is a range that bids 1♠ over 1♥ with 5-5 blacks, and there is a range that passes 1♥ (the QJ10-QJ0 example passes obviously since it only helps opponents when they play later)