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good bad ugly?

Poll: good bad ugly? (33 member(s) have cast votes)

1S is

  1. good (7 votes [21.21%])

    Percentage of vote: 21.21%

  2. ok (12 votes [36.36%])

    Percentage of vote: 36.36%

  3. bad (9 votes [27.27%])

    Percentage of vote: 27.27%

  4. ugly (5 votes [15.15%])

    Percentage of vote: 15.15%

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#1 User is offline   jillybean 

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Posted 2011-September-18, 10:19



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Posted 2011-September-18, 10:32

Pass for now. I have a singleton in partner's suit and 5 cards in opponent's suit. My clubs are very weak and I only have 6 hcp.
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Posted 2011-September-18, 10:34

View Postgwnn, on 2011-September-18, 10:32, said:

Pass for now. I have a singleton in partner's suit and 5 cards in opponent's suit. My clubs are very weak and I only have 6 hcp.


I think she was asking how you rate the 1♠ bid.
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Posted 2011-September-18, 10:35

We are south csaba, the question is about our overcall.

I would bid 1S and think that this is good. 5-5 is very powerful when a good fit is found, and I prefer to look for it at the 1-level. It's mostly a matter of agreement though.
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Posted 2011-September-18, 10:40

If the initial posting is correct, I agree with 1♠, even vul.
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Posted 2011-September-18, 10:41

View Posthan, on 2011-September-18, 10:35, said:

We are south csaba, the question is about our overcall.

I would bid 1S and think that this is good. 5-5 is very powerful when a good fit is found, and I prefer to look for it at the 1-level. It's mostly a matter of agreement though.


I think another big thing going for it is that partner is a passed hand, but I'd probably bid 1♠ even if they weren't
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Posted 2011-September-18, 10:46

It is pretty ugly, but at MP I'd at least seriously consider doing it anyway. It's not like this auction is going to get any safer...

On the other hand, partner is reasonably likely to lead a spade anyway against their eventual heart contract, and we don't really want to invite him to be a hero and sacrifice over 4H.
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Posted 2011-September-18, 10:54

PASS please!
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Posted 2011-September-18, 11:26

Typical gwnn moment involving compass confusion.

I completely agree with the 1♠ overcall (good, not bad), but it could hardly be a weaker hand for this action (ugly).
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Posted 2011-September-18, 11:53

I tried to vote "good and ugly", but it wouldn't let me.
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Posted 2011-September-18, 12:28

Yeah, good and ugly or ok and ugly should be options.
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Posted 2011-September-18, 13:29

This is bad because it makes your overcall range unmanageably wide
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Posted 2011-September-18, 14:06

View Postjillybean, on 2011-September-18, 10:19, said:



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Posted 2011-September-18, 14:37

I'd bid 1♠ on anyday with this, but i can see it is a matter of style and i would not argue with people who thinks it aint a 1♠ overcall.
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Posted 2011-September-18, 15:05

View Postaguahombre, on 2011-September-18, 11:53, said:

I tried to vote "good and ugly", but it wouldn't let me.

Was intended as humor based on American colloquialisms. But I would overcall.
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Posted 2011-September-18, 15:52

I voted ok leaning towards good. Might put the fear of 3nt in them, might go for a number without better ♣.

We can often cuebid our way to the 2 (only) level and sound tough on the way.
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Posted 2011-September-18, 17:05

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Posted 2011-September-18, 18:33

A passed partner can't really have a natural 2NT bid opposite one of my overcalls, especially in an auction like this where it is so easy for us to reopen if partner passes. I'd prefer to play 2NT as a spade raise but I guess we have to assume is it natural without discussion and probably we have no agreement about 3♣ either.

I would pass and hope the opponents come to the rescue with either double or 3♦. Of course it would be nice to bid 3♣ and play there but I don't see this happening unless I precede 3♣ with an insufficient bid then correct it.
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Posted 2011-September-18, 18:57

Agree with Nigel. 2NT is unlikely to be useful in a natural sense by a passed partner when the opponents have opened and been raised. It is extra distribution in hearts and clubs on my planet ---as opposed to a responsive double with less extreme distribution and a couple spades.

I am confident enough about this, that the only question is how many clubs I want to bid. 3C might be right, as a hedge in case I don't know for sure that pard resides on my planet.

I think there are enough ways of raising my spades, including bidding spades.
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Posted 2011-September-18, 19:54

Yeech I guess I am very old school, I made the 2N bid on xx,Axx,Q82,AJT53. Playing modern I have to pass, or open this garbage.
My r/l partners play 2N natural too.
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