[Flem72]

S: J9x KTxx x Qxxxx

Vul v. not

N E S W
2C* 3D P** P
3H 4D ?

* = strong, 22+ or 8 1/2 tricks
** = not a double negative hand

Also: Anyone want to publish useful agreements for comp over Our 2/1 2C opener? It seems to me that, most of the time, letting O know whether R is bust or holds some values is good enough, waiting for O to reopen with a descriptive call. OTOH....?

Regards and Happy Trails,

Scott Needham
Boulder, Colorado, USA

[Phil]

I'm generally uncomfortable letting the weak hand take control, but RKC looks obvious.

My alternative is to pass and bid 4♥ over the x (and 4N over 4♥), but surely I'm too good for that.

[aguahombre]

I, too, will await answers to these questions.

You now officially have a + in your profile for the form and substance of the question .

[JLOGIC]

I'd just bid 5D, I don't think I can drive it.

[whereagles]

You guys play opener for the world... I'd just try a quiet 4♥, eventually taking the push to 5 if nedded.

[Flameous]

For us the 2♣ opener promises the world
I also like 5♦.

[Free]

I don't like 5♦ because it looks too much like voidwood. I prefer Blacky, because I can value my ♣s if opener happens to have ♣AK.

[MrAce]

 Free, on 2011-June-01, 02:41, said:

I don't like 5♦ because it looks too much like voidwood. I prefer Blacky, because I can value my ♣s if opener happens to have ♣AK.

I dunno what it looks like but it ain't voidwood. Thats the only cue available.

 whereagles, on 2011-June-01, 00:01, said:

You guys play opener for the world... I'd just try a quiet 4♥, eventually taking the push to 5 if nedded.

Pd opens 2♣, and RHO tells you he owns the ♦ suit. Your pd has the world plus moon, if not the whole galaxy.

[mike777]

1) 2c shows 4 loser hand if long major
2) pass=random game force
3) 3h shows long h and 4 loser hand.
4) 4h now...
5) 5d close second choice

pard does not promise the sun moon and galaxy in fact pard shows minimum hand at this point

[MrAce]

Deleted, double post

[MrAce]

 mike777, on 2011-June-01, 04:08, said:

pard does not promise the sun moon and galaxy in fact pard shows minimum hand at this point

Construct me a hand, where RHO bids the ♦ suit at 3 level and bids again at 4 level by himself (w/o support from his pd) and pd has a 2♣ opener. What 4♥ are u talking about ? You would bid 4♥ with this if your pd opened weak 2♥ or overcalled 1 ♥ for Christ's sake !

Yes your pd has minimum, in fact i will give him less than u suggested some 5 loser hands.. Are u happy with 4 ♥ ? AK AQJxx xxx AKx or here i give him some wasted ♦ hcps Axx AQxxx KJ AKJ or KQx AQJxxx AJx A.

4♥ huh ? Well at least u didn't DBL 4♦. Only thing that comes to my mind worse than 4♥ is to DBL 4♦ and suggest pd we defend this hand. Ohh i see, by saying minimum hand, you count beans, pd = 22 hcp we have 6 hcp, 28 hcp wont make slam so lets stop at 4 ?

And by the way, just out of curiosity, at which point did you decide pd showed a minimum 2♣ opener ? Was it the 2 ♣ bid or 3♥ bid that indicated the minimum hand ?

[Free]

 MrAce, on 2011-June-01, 05:37, said:

Construct me a hand, where RHO bids the ♦ suit at 3 level and bids again at 4 level by himself (w/o support from his pd) and pd has a 2♣ opener.

That's pretty difficult, because most decent RHO's would bid 4♦ immediately or pass in their second turn...

[gszes]

once E has shown not a double neg type hand you have a big arsenal of
bidding tools available to you. Pass and pull is stronger than bidding
directly so over the 4d bid i suggest

4h around 4 points generally balanced
p pull p probable x to 4h around 7 balanced
4n your favorite form of blackwood*
p and pull probable x to 4n to play*
5d dia control (almost assuredly short around 4 points) (promises H suupport)
p pull probable x to 5d same as 5d bid but around points)(promises heart support)
5h around 10 balanced with heart support
6d dia void around 4 points (promises heart support)
p pull probable x to 6d same as 6d but around 7 points

you still have 4s 5c 5s 5n available for different agreements

* these two reversed using pass/pull logic because there is an
inference available that when p does not take control of the
bidding it is because they cannot. Therefore the immediate use
of 4n as blackwood leaves this inference intact.

Using this method I would bid 5d over 4d but I downgrade
queens and especially jacks for slam purposes so I would
treat this as aropund a 5 point hand.

[pooltuna]

 JLOGIC, on 2011-May-31, 13:35, said:

I'd just bid 5D, I don't think I can drive it.

Well what can you say? Zambonis are not for everybody

[Flem72]

 Free, on 2011-June-01, 07:35, said:

That's pretty difficult, because most decent RHO's would bid 4♦ immediately or pass in their second turn...

Well, I tried to employ the nice little boxed quotation thingie, but I guess I'll ahve to read up on the tools. Sigh.

Anyhoo, the actual hands don't contribute much to the problem posed, (1) partner didn't have a 2C opener and (2) RHO indeed should've bounced immediately. Partner's hand was a 2N opener, and not a "cherce" (Spencer Tracey, _Pat & Mike_ I think ) one at that: AKx AJ98x KQ Axx. Even so, if partner had understood the 5D call, I would think 5H is auto.

Regards and Happy Trails,

Scott Needham
Boulder, Colorado, USA

[Flem72]

 Flem72, on 2011-June-02, 11:49, said:

Well, I tried to employ the nice little boxed quotation thingie,

Jeez! it worked!