Help
LHO leads ♠ and RHO cashes ♠AKQJ; LHO play ♠35T and ♣2; I discarded ♣57 from dummy.
RHO now plays ♣Q.
What is the best line from here?
Page 1 of 1
Play 3NTx finesse or squeeze?
#1
- Group: Advanced Members
- Posts: 3,431
- Joined: 2003-April-11
Posted 2011-May-28, 06:32
IMP's
LHO leads ♠ and RHO cashes ♠AKQJ; LHO play ♠35T and ♣2; I discarded ♣57 from dummy.
RHO now plays ♣Q.
What is the best line from here?
LHO leads ♠ and RHO cashes ♠AKQJ; LHO play ♠35T and ♣2; I discarded ♣57 from dummy.
RHO now plays ♣Q.
What is the best line from here?
#2
- - - A AKQJT9876543
-
- Group: Advanced Members
- Posts: 2,614
- Joined: 2007-October-02
- Gender:Male
Posted 2011-May-28, 06:51
♣K, ♥AKQ throwing club, ♦AQ, ♣A. Hope diamonds are 3-3 or someone gets squeezed (or ♥J drops in 3).
Wayne Somerville
#3
- Group: Advanced Members
- Posts: 4,082
- Joined: 2006-August-31
- Gender:Male
- Location:Santiago, Chile
- Interests:Bridge, Video Games, Languages, Travelling.
Posted 2011-May-28, 07:00
♣K, AQK♦, ♥A and ♣A. They're discarding on the diamond if not 3-3 and I still have the heart finesse ( 
) available.
) available.
wyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:
Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the ♥3.
rbforster, on 2012-May-20, 21:04, said:
Besides playing for fun, most people also like to play bridge to win
My YouTube Channel
#4
- Group: Full Members
- Posts: 152
- Joined: 2011-February-25
Posted 2011-May-28, 07:44
Provided RHO has club guarded, I would try diamonds first, if LHO has the length, there is an auto dbl-squeeze.
If RHO guards diamonds, provided he has spades and the club length, the heart finesse is likely on.
If RHO guards diamonds, provided he has spades and the club length, the heart finesse is likely on.
#5
- 5-level belongs to me
-
- Group: Advanced Members
- Posts: 9,128
- Joined: 2004-August-30
- Gender:Male
- Location:Glasgow Scotland
- Interests:Poems Computers
Posted 2011-May-28, 09:59
Agree with others: Cash minor winners and (usually) play for the drop in hearts. If RHO guards the round suits, then he is squeezed. If LHO guards diamonds, then he is a show-up squeezed.
#6
- VIP Member
-
- Group: Advanced Members
- Posts: 6,971
- Joined: 2009-November-14
- Gender:Male
- Location:Houston, TX
Posted 2011-May-28, 16:12
2200, on 2011-May-28, 07:44, said:
Provided RHO has club guarded, I would try diamonds first, if LHO has the length, there is an auto dbl-squeeze.
If RHO guards diamonds, provided he has spades and the club length, the heart finesse is likely on.
If RHO guards diamonds, provided he has spades and the club length, the heart finesse is likely on.
Seems like this fails if RHO has something like AKQJ Jx Txxx QJx but overall i like this line.
"Genius has its own limitations, however stupidity has no such boundaries!"
"It's only when a mosquito lands on your testicles that you realize there is always a way to solve problems without using violence!"
"Well to be perfectly honest, in my humble opinion, of course without offending anyone who thinks differently from my point of view, but also by looking into this matter in a different perspective and without being condemning of one's view's and by trying to make it objectified, and by considering each and every one's valid opinion, I honestly believe that I completely forgot what I was going to say."
"It's only when a mosquito lands on your testicles that you realize there is always a way to solve problems without using violence!"
"Well to be perfectly honest, in my humble opinion, of course without offending anyone who thinks differently from my point of view, but also by looking into this matter in a different perspective and without being condemning of one's view's and by trying to make it objectified, and by considering each and every one's valid opinion, I honestly believe that I completely forgot what I was going to say."
#7
- Group: Advanced Members
- Posts: 3,431
- Joined: 2003-April-11
Posted 2011-May-29, 02:33
IMP's
LHO leads ♠ and RHO cashes ♠AKQJ; LHO play ♠35T and ♣2; I discarded ♣57 from dummy.
RHO now plays ♣Q.
This is the complete hand.
I played 3 rounds of ♦ (RHO discarding ♥2) and ♣A.
Don't read this:
LHO leads ♠ and RHO cashes ♠AKQJ; LHO play ♠35T and ♣2; I discarded ♣57 from dummy.
RHO now plays ♣Q.
This is the complete hand.
I played 3 rounds of ♦ (RHO discarding ♥2) and ♣A.
Don't read this:
Spoiler
#8
- 2011 Poster of The Year winner
-
- Group: Advanced Members
- Posts: 6,002
- Joined: 2010-July-08
- Gender:Male
Posted 2011-May-29, 04:27
Yes, that was quite bad. FWIW RHO is also likely to have Jxxx of hearts when he doubles, he would not double with AKQJ of spades fourth and nothing in hearts.
blogging at http://www.justinlall.com
#9
- Scotland
-
- Group: Advanced Members
- Posts: 2,754
- Joined: 2008-August-22
- Gender:Male
- Location:Scotland
Posted 2011-May-29, 05:21
isnt it a bit strange for rho to cash here? He could switch to a club at trick two. That probably puts you in difficulties.
EDIT: Of course, you can probably squeeze him without the count, but you might not guess to do that with the heart finesse looking so tempting.
EDIT: Of course, you can probably squeeze him without the count, but you might not guess to do that with the heart finesse looking so tempting.
The physics is theoretical, but the fun is real. - Sheldon Cooper
#10
- Group: Advanced Members
- Posts: 3,431
- Joined: 2003-April-11
Posted 2011-May-29, 05:51
JLOGIC, on 2011-May-29, 04:27, said:
Yes, that was quite bad.
Always trying to improve...and probably that is for me:
- practice more to count in distributions
- concentrate more on what opps play/bid and get more info out of it (eg 1st discard most often from 5c, RHO probably has ♥ stop for his DBL, LHO in this case discarding ♣ + RHO returning ♣Q indicates that only RHO will stop ♣, ...)
- I think enough but should think better, here noticing that finesse against LHO is a practice finesse (...not sure how to achieve this).
#11
- Group: Advanced Members
- Posts: 3,431
- Joined: 2003-April-11
Posted 2011-May-29, 05:52
phil_20686, on 2011-May-29, 05:21, said:
isnt it a bit strange for rho to cash here? He could switch to a club at trick two. That probably puts you in difficulties.
EDIT: Of course, you can probably squeeze him without the count, but you might not guess to do that with the heart finesse looking so tempting.
EDIT: Of course, you can probably squeeze him without the count, but you might not guess to do that with the heart finesse looking so tempting.
Most opps I play against are not experts, so that explains it all
#12
- Under bidder
-
- Group: Advanced Members
- Posts: 11,797
- Joined: 2004-July-25
- Gender:Male
- Location:Amsterdam, the Netherlands
Posted 2011-May-29, 07:53
phil_20686, on 2011-May-29, 05:21, said:
isnt it a bit strange for rho to cash here? He could switch to a club at trick two. That probably puts you in difficulties.
No this is not strange at all. At least 99% of bridge players would cash the spades.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.
- hrothgar
- hrothgar
#13
- Group: Full Members
- Posts: 152
- Joined: 2011-February-25
Posted 2011-May-29, 08:45
As cards lie, even if RHO doesn't cash out spades, you play 3 rounds of diamonds and it's pain in the a** for the poor guy to find a discard.
#14
- 5555
-
- Group: Advanced Members
- Posts: 9,519
- Joined: 2003-September-04
- Gender:Male
Posted 2011-May-30, 03:17
kgr, on 2011-May-29, 05:51, said:
Always trying to improve...and probably that is for me:
- practice more to count in distributions
- concentrate more on what opps play/bid and get more info out of it (eg 1st discard most often from 5c, RHO probably has ♥ stop for his DBL, LHO in this case discarding ♣ + RHO returning ♣Q indicates that only RHO will stop ♣, ...)
- I think enough but should think better, here noticing that finesse against LHO is a practice finesse (...not sure how to achieve this).
- practice more to count in distributions
- concentrate more on what opps play/bid and get more info out of it (eg 1st discard most often from 5c, RHO probably has ♥ stop for his DBL, LHO in this case discarding ♣ + RHO returning ♣Q indicates that only RHO will stop ♣, ...)
- I think enough but should think better, here noticing that finesse against LHO is a practice finesse (...not sure how to achieve this).
when you have a guess, don't just ask yourself "Who has the ♥J?", ask yourself "What cards do I know in LHO's hand? In RHO's hand? What are their possible initial and remaining distributions?"
The easiest way to count losers is to line up the people who talk about loser count, and count them. -Kieran Dyke
#15
- mmm Duvel
-
- Group: Advanced Members
- Posts: 10,728
- Joined: 2003-July-30
- Gender:Male
- Location:Belgium
- Interests:Duvel, Whisky
Posted 2011-May-30, 06:23
If you have no clue and you can chose between a finesse or a squeeze, then go for the squeeze. You'll always get a compliment: either "well played" or "nice try". 
"It may be rude to leave to go to the bathroom, but it's downright stupid to sit there and piss yourself" - blackshoe
#16
- Group: Full Members
- Posts: 244
- Joined: 2008-June-03
Posted 2011-May-30, 08:24
kgr, on 2011-May-29, 05:51, said:
Always trying to improve...and probably that is for me:
- practice more to count in distributions
- concentrate more on what opps play/bid and get more info out of it (eg 1st discard most often from 5c, RHO probably has ♥ stop for his DBL, LHO in this case discarding ♣ + RHO returning ♣Q indicates that only RHO will stop ♣, ...)
- I think enough but should think better, here noticing that finesse against LHO is a practice finesse (...not sure how to achieve this).
- practice more to count in distributions
- concentrate more on what opps play/bid and get more info out of it (eg 1st discard most often from 5c, RHO probably has ♥ stop for his DBL, LHO in this case discarding ♣ + RHO returning ♣Q indicates that only RHO will stop ♣, ...)
- I think enough but should think better, here noticing that finesse against LHO is a practice finesse (...not sure how to achieve this).
If you consider LHO discards in combination with RHO discards, it is a very simple problem.
LHO has shown up with 3♠, 4♦ and 2♣, leaving a maximum of 4♥, LHO's discard on the ♣A tells you all you need to know.
A ♥ discard by LHO tells you there is no need to finesse as the drop will always pick up whatever LHO has in ♥.
A ♣ discard by LHO also tells you that he has 3♥max and the drop will pick up whatever holding LHO has in ♥.
The finesse is never an option. A very simple problem, until you have to do it at the table.
bridge is never always a game of exact, for those times it's all about percentages, partner and the opponents.
Page 1 of 1