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#1 User is offline   wyman 

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Posted 2010-December-04, 16:36



IMPs, NS +500
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Posted 2010-December-04, 17:50

View Postwyman, on 2010-December-04, 16:36, said:

IMPs, NS +500
IMO South is more to blame, because this shouldn't be forcing-pass auction. But 6 is no cinch.
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Posted 2010-December-04, 22:21

No blame is certainly an option. I'm interested in thoughts on the whole auction -- as N/S of course.
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Posted 2010-December-05, 05:57

You were getting 4 +480, next 5 +480, but in the end you got +500 because they pushed, what is the problem?
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Posted 2010-December-05, 07:34

I think the 6H bid was the worst bid of the auction.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2010-December-05, 12:06

No blame and I don't expect anyone to get to 6.
I once yelled at my partner for discarding the 'wrong' card when he was subjected to a squeeze that I allowed by giving the wrong count with too high a card. Now he's allowed to pitch aces when the opponents have the king in the dummy. At trick 2. When he could have followed suit. And blame me.

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Posted 2010-December-06, 09:38

Thanks. Maybe this would have been better as a problem from N (and maybe even then it is easy).

I was N, and I wasn't sure what to do over 6H (I think our bidding was normal until then).

If pass was forcing, I think my xx/xx/xx suggests doubling, but I wasn't sure, seeing as I have 7 spades to the AQ, and partner is surely fishing for something in my hand. If pass is NF, though, what could partner have? Something like KJxx/x/Jx/KQJxxx? And even then we may beat 6H (probably not, though -- spades 1-1 and clubs 3-2 might not even be good enough if the long D's are opposite the short clubs). Do I have enough to double here or should we just take our 100s?
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Posted 2010-December-06, 10:26

View Postwyman, on 2010-December-06, 09:38, said:

Thanks. Maybe this would have been better as a problem from N (and maybe even then it is easy).

I was N, and I wasn't sure what to do over 6H (I think our bidding was normal until then).

I think north knows that there is an 11 card spade fit, that's perhaps a couple cards longer than south can assume. North is also pretty sure that south has a heart void -- the vulnerable opponents likely have 11 hearts to be bidding this way.

Would South bid this way with Kxxx - AQJx KJxxx? Maybe, but then they might be making 6.

So, if anyone should be bidding 6, it is north.

But, suppose west had passed rather than bidding 5 or east had passed rather than bidding 6, would you have reached 6? probably not. I agree with Han, the opponents were making bad decisions, much worse than either North or South. Maybe one of the things that separates us for the greats is that the greats get to 6? But, I sort of doubt it.
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Posted 2010-December-08, 05:43

What was South's pass over 6? Did it show no loser in hearts or is that only over 7? I blame South mostly but could be convinced otherwise.

Is the spade finesse called for because of the 4 preempt?

 wyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:

Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the 3.


 rbforster, on 2012-May-20, 21:04, said:

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