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#21 User is offline   gnasher 

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Posted 2010-June-25, 14:18

bluecalm, on Jun 25 2010, 08:31 PM, said:

I think double should strongly discourage partner from bidding.

Yes. So does everybody else. The difference between you and some other posters is not about the message converyed by a double, but about what message to convey.

This post has been edited by gnasher: 2010-June-25, 14:20

... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2010-June-25, 14:56

jdonn, on Jun 25 2010, 01:01 PM, said:

We have a minimum, the least shape possible, good defense, shortness in partner's suit, and one of our honors in the opponent's suit. What is so wrong about double?

To me it is a question of double or pass and I lean toward doubling for the reasons above. If partner makes game opposite our hand based on shape he should have bid it last round. And if partner makes game opposite our hand based on strength then we are about to cream them.

Plus he is allowed to bid 5 even if we do double! Sure he will usually pass but I haven't stolen his bidding box.

We start with the assumption that he has a proper 4 call. Thus, he has both limited and decribed his hand reasonably well: certainly he has described its likely playing strength well. We, otoh, have given only a vague description.
He has transferred captaincy to us. If we double it is PENALTY, and he has zero right to pull it if his hand matches the description he has already provided.

Indeed, the shorter his hearts, the happier he should be, assuming that his hand was not so offensive that he ought to have bid game last time.

In short, I can't imagine partner pulling...it may be legal, but it won't be bridge.

That isn't saying that double is 'wrong', but it is saying that we can't hope for partner to rescue us when it is.
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Posted 2010-June-25, 15:33

I have pulled PENALTY doubles before, especially after finding a fit, as I'm sure have you. I'm fairly certain I was still playing bridge.
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Posted 2010-June-25, 15:43

jdonn, on Jun 25 2010, 09:33 PM, said:

I have pulled PENALTY doubles before, especially after finding a fit, as I'm sure have you. I'm fairly certain I was still playing bridge.

On an auction equivalent to this one? Why would pard ever choose 4 in preference to 5 on the last round, hear that you wish to defend 4 then overrule you?
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Posted 2010-June-25, 15:52

With xx x KQxxxx KQJx partner would probably bid 4 (there is no need to save since rarely does either opponent bid again on this auction) yet passing the double would be quite terrible.

I don't know exactly what you mean by "an auction like this one". One where both players have limited their hands and found a fit? 1 p 1 p 2 p p 2 X p, would you pass on x QJTxx Qxxx xxx?
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Posted 2010-June-25, 16:07

Apologies, some unsuccessful multi-tasking going on there - ignore my last post, I thought the overcaller was still "live" when pard bid 4.
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Posted 2010-June-25, 17:08



I doubled and declarer should really make a doulbe (simple squeeze) after the diamond lead for 11 tricks, but somehow he was happy with just +790.

5 at the other table with a very different approauch 500
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