[CSGibson]

Scoring: IMP

(p)-?

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Freakish hands have no correct bidding sequence other than the one that makes you declarer, of course, but how to ensure that?

Say you open 1♠. LHO decides to preempt 3♥, and partner makes a negative double which RHO passes. Now?

[aguahombre]

Looks like a weak 2 at the club.

[cloa513]

Its an opening 4♠ or 5♠ if you think that's too many spades for 4♠ - definitely not an opening 1♠ . The queen of ♥ is worth nothing.

[aguahombre]

Would rather brave the wrath of the RA than the wrath of CHO. Let's see: what opening call and follow-up suggests 10 tricks at spades and demands cue bidding by partner + answers to asking bids?

I am 3 tricks too heavy for 4♠

[Phil]

I saw this a few hours ago and hated the opening bid the player I watched chose.

I didn't like his partner's choice of call either.

[CSGibson]

Phil, on Jun 19 2010, 05:08 PM, said:

I saw this a few hours ago and hated the opening bid the player I watched chose.

I didn't like his partner's choice of call either.

which were?

Personally I was playing with a bad pick-up, so I just punted 6♠ after opening 1♠ and getting the sequence of bids I described in the OP.

[Fluffy]

I think 1♠ is ok, 4♠ might work out also.

I think phil watched someone open 2♣ wich is truly ugly.

after 1♠ and take out double 6♠ seems reasonable to me.

[pooltuna]

aguahombre, on Jun 19 2010, 06:00 PM, said:

Looks like a weak 2 at the club.

Dog scratching at the door to get out?

[Phil]

Fluffy, on Jun 19 2010, 07:35 PM, said:

I think 1♠ is ok, 4♠ might work out also.

I think phil watched someone open 2♣ wich is truly ugly.

after 1♠ and take out double 6♠ seems reasonable to me.

Correct. But the tragedy was the pass of 4♠ with xx Qx Axx AQJxxx (might be a card off).

I'm OK with a 4N opening for specific Aces, or Namyats and another move.

[jdonn]

I would rebid 4♥.

[kayin801]

1♠, only cause 2♣ and 4♠+ are wrong.

[aguahombre]

Phil, on Jun 19 2010, 07:16 PM, said:

But the tragedy was the pass of 4♠ with xx Qx Axx AQJxxx (might be a card off).

I assume you meant the 4S opening was the tragedy. Passing a 4S opener with that hand seems normal.

[Phil]

aguahombre, on Jun 19 2010, 09:59 PM, said:

Phil, on Jun 19 2010, 07:16 PM, said:

But the tragedy was the pass of 4♠ with xx Qx Axx AQJxxx (might be a card off).

I assume you meant the 4S opening was the tragedy. Passing a 4S opener with that hand seems normal.

No. The auction was:

2♣ - (2♦) - 3♣ - (4♥);
4♠ - AP.

2♦ was suction.

[aguahombre]

Yep, a trajedy. If my pard opens 2C, and I have that hand, she won't be shutting me up with 4♠. Maybe an easy 5S, if it means two heart losers.

[CSGibson]

Phil, on Jun 19 2010, 06:16 PM, said:

Fluffy, on Jun 19 2010, 07:35 PM, said:

I think 1♠ is ok, 4♠ might work out also.

I think phil watched someone open 2♣ wich is truly ugly.

after 1♠ and take out double 6♠ seems reasonable to me.

Correct. But the tragedy was the pass of 4♠ with xx Qx Axx AQJxxx (might be a card off).

I'm OK with a 4N opening for specific Aces, or Namyats and another move.

The actual responding hand was

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so it's even more atrocious than you thought.

[gwnn]

(1S then after the given start:) 6S. lalalallalalalalalaalalallaa

[Cyberyeti]

I must admit I tend to pass this type of hand. The bidding never dies, and you can often judge better what's going on.

[Fluffy]

if my partner opens 2♣ he will be ashamed because we will play 7NT in a flash. Hopefully that would teach him a lesson.

[pooltuna]

CSGibson, on Jun 19 2010, 05:50 PM, said:

Scoring: IMP

(p)-?

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Freakish hands have no correct bidding sequence other than the one that makes you declarer, of course, but how to ensure that?

Say you open 1♠. LHO decides to preempt 3♥, and partner makes a negative double which RHO passes. Now?

Fortunately there are only 10,455,016 of these 10-card suit hands so you won't have to deal with them often. Certainly not often enough to modify your bidding system in any major way. So we should just try to compute the approximate odds of making a slam and if appropriate bid it now. Since partner holding either the A or K of ♦ looks like the most critical item I would go with the probablility of partner holding one; i.e. 55%. So my call would be 6♠

[aguahombre]

Fluffy, on Jun 20 2010, 04:45 AM, said:

if my partner opens 2♣ he will be ashamed because we will play 7NT in a flash. Hopefully that would teach him a lesson.

Yes it would; but not the lesson you think.