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Interesting hand from last night Who will be first to spot it?

#1 User is offline   ajm218 

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Posted 2010-June-15, 04:05

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1 P 2 3
P 4 AP


6 lead - opps are playing a strong club system so 1 is catch-all, 2 is inv+ without a 4CM
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Posted 2010-June-15, 06:18

hmmm .. presumably ops will lead another trump when I duck a diamond. That leaves me with 6 trumps in hand, one ruff in dummy, and the A. I guess the club finesse is needed, that's 9 tricks. But where is the 10th? :P
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Posted 2010-June-15, 08:11

If trumps are 2-2, spades 4-3 and CK onside you have the entries to establish a spade trick if you play one immediately at T2.
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Posted 2010-June-15, 08:24

2-2 trump split and 4-3 Sp split:

1: win trump in hand ( East covering your 10 w/Jack )
2: lead Sp
3: win 2nd trump lead on board
4. ruff 2nd Sp lead
5. lead 1st Diam
6. win Cl return ( finessing Q which you need to win )
7. ruff 3rd Sp
8. ruff Diam w/last trump on board
9. ruff 4th Sp
10. Cl to Ace
11. Sp J is good ( if 4-3 Sp split ) for 10th trick

6h, 2c, 1s, 1 diam-ruff
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Posted 2010-June-15, 08:47

I believe I am short an entry if the Jack does not fall on the 1st trick.
Don Stenmark ( TWOferBRIDGE )
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Posted 2010-June-15, 11:27

This is a hand about defence by East.

We need 6 hearts, a diamond ruff, two clubs and a tenth trick that can come only from spades (there appears, to me, to be no squeeze).

We cannot afford 3-1 hearts, even with the stiff Jack, since we need to ruff a diamond and thus cannot give up the lead in both spades and diamonds and still pull this off... LHO will be able to win the first round of both suits and pound trumps at us.

So we need hearts 2-2, and we need lots of entries to dummy. In fact, we need to have a second round trump entry in the form of the 9 or the 10, so in turn this means that East needs to cover the card we call from dummy at trick one.

Most defenders play reflexively here....without thinking. The Jack can never gain...if declarer needs to be in dummy to take a hook, he will cross there at trick 2 if need be. We know that partner doesn't have the Qxx, so the J is a zero play...it can never be right, and it may be wrong, as here.

3rd hand high and cover an honour with an honour are both useful adages but neither should substitute for thinking.

Having said that, I'd make the reflexive play myself unless I was 'on' at the time.
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Posted 2010-June-16, 02:18

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On the lead p won in hand with the 8 and played a . West couldn't put the Q up or the hand would be trivial so East had to win the trick and find a switch to remove one of declarer's entries early - when he didn't the hand was again over as partner had just enough entires and temp to ruff a and set the s up.
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Posted 2010-June-16, 03:46

Agree with mikeh, east should get it right but it's easy to fall asleep here.
and the result can be plotted on a graph.
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Posted 2010-June-16, 10:31

ajm218, on Jun 16 2010, 10:18 AM, said:

... when he didn't the hand was again over as partner had just enough entries and temp to ruff a and set the s up.

I only see 4 entries in dummy: AQ, , ruff (If West plays J after switch by East)?
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Posted 2010-June-16, 15:49


'one of the great markers of the advance of human kindness is the howls you will hear from the Men of God' Johann Hari
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Posted 2010-June-16, 16:56

Converted in hand editor, Click to see the hand.

Click on GIB, Says Down 1.
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Posted 2010-June-17, 05:26

It seems that a club return is not needed to remove an entry for the development of a (there is an entry short anyway), but rather to remove an entry for a double squeeze (- and -).
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Posted 2010-June-17, 12:33

kgr, on Jun 17 2010, 06:26 AM, said:

It seems that a club return is not needed to remove an entry for the development of a (there is an entry short anyway), but rather to remove an entry for a double squeeze (- and -).

I don't think so:

what do you think the 4 card end position will be after they lead a diamond back and LHO exits the heart J?

Even if dummy has the AQ9x of clubs, there is no squeeze that I see...altho the double hook in clubs would then have worked.
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Posted 2010-June-17, 13:01

I agree with kgr: trump, spade, diamond, J to ace, diamond ruff, spade ruff, trump, diamond discarding a club. LHO plays back a club honour, but we ruff another spade and cash the last trump.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2010-June-17, 14:21

mikeh, on Jun 17 2010, 08:33 PM, said:

kgr, on Jun 17 2010, 06:26 AM, said:

It seems that a club return is not needed to remove an entry for the development of a (there is an entry short anyway), but rather to remove an entry for a double squeeze (- and -).

I don't think so:

what do you think the 4 card end position will be after they lead a diamond back and LHO exits the heart J?

Even if dummy has the AQ9x of clubs, there is no squeeze that I see...altho the double hook in clubs would then have worked.

... ruff, ruff, 2x :

On this West cannot discard a .
If he discards a then you can give him a trick and ruff his return; to make an extra in dummy.
If he discards a then you can play a and East will be squeezed in / when you ruff a .
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Posted 2010-June-17, 18:47

you are right....well done...good thing that S has the diamond 9 while the curse of scotland earns its bad reputation once more. Otherwise west could unblock the Q, keeping a low diamond and you couldn't exit the diamond when he pitches a club.
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Posted 2010-June-18, 00:57

mikeh, on Jun 18 2010, 01:47 AM, said:

good thing that S has the diamond 9 while the curse of scotland earns its bad reputation once more. Otherwise west could unblock the Q, keeping a low diamond and you couldn't exit the diamond when he pitches a club.

With the variation that I suggested, South doesn't need 9, as long as West's diamonds are HH10. My West is never given a chance to discard a diamond.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2010-June-18, 01:49

mikeh, on Jun 18 2010, 02:47 AM, said:

you are right....well done...good thing that S has the diamond 9 while the curse of scotland earns its bad reputation once more. Otherwise west could unblock the Q, keeping a low diamond and you couldn't exit the diamond when he pitches a club.

As long as West has HHT then he cannot unblock. In the end figure from previous post you play a small . West has T left, but East cannot takeover because then S's J will be the 10th trick.
PS: when OP said ...Interesting hand... in the subject, then I think he was right. It is the deal of the week for me: not very special at first sight, but of lot of interesting points in it.
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Posted 2010-June-18, 01:58

Well done posters - not an easy hand to analyse without a double dummy solver! I thought it was quite pretty though... :D
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