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#1 User is offline   hanp 

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Posted 2010-June-08, 03:52

IMPs.

xx
Q1098
KJx
xxxx

1C - 1H
2S - ??
and the result can be plotted on a graph.
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Posted 2010-June-08, 03:59

2N. Not sure I want to encourage pard too strongly with slow values in the red suits.
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Posted 2010-June-08, 04:55

hanp, on Jun 8 2010, 04:52 PM, said:

IMPs.

xx
Q1098
KJx
xxxx

1C - 1H
2S - ??

2S is a mini splinter?
If not, I agree with Phil's 2NT bid.
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Posted 2010-June-08, 05:10

Obviously 2S shows either a single suited gameforce or a gameforce with 6+ clubs and 3 hearts....
and the result can be plotted on a graph.
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Posted 2010-June-08, 05:13

hanp, on Jun 8 2010, 12:10 PM, said:

Obviously 2S shows either a single suited gameforce or a gameforce with 6+ clubs and 3 hearts....

I think this joke has gone over my head.
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Posted 2010-June-08, 05:31

I would show a hand that is 6-9 balanced with diamonds well stopped. (3 NT for me)
If I am unable to do so, I would show a weak hand with club fit. 2 Nt followed by 3 NT for me)
If I cannot show this either, I would change the system asap and try to survive after 2 NT.
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Posted 2010-June-08, 05:40

gordontd, on Jun 8 2010, 06:13 AM, said:

hanp, on Jun 8 2010, 12:10 PM, said:

Obviously 2S shows either a single suited gameforce or a gameforce with 6+ clubs and 3 hearts....

I think this joke has gone over my head.

It was a reaction to Hog's question.
and the result can be plotted on a graph.
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Posted 2010-June-08, 06:00

3♣. That doesn't commit us to slam, or to clubs. The thought of concealing four-card club support on this auction horrifies me.
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Posted 2010-June-08, 06:21

3♣, I feel the same way as gnasher.

If we bid 2NT we have to go above 3NT to show club support, this way at least 3NT is still possible and now we have supported clubs.
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Posted 2010-June-08, 07:02

655321, on Jun 8 2010, 07:21 AM, said:

3♣, I feel the same way as gnasher.

If we bid 2NT we have to go above 3NT to show club support, this way at least 3NT is still possible and now we have supported clubs.

Agree, partner still has 3♦ as a stopper ask right?
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Posted 2010-June-08, 08:08

gordontd, on Jun 8 2010, 06:13 AM, said:

hanp, on Jun 8 2010, 12:10 PM, said:

Obviously 2S shows either a single suited gameforce or a gameforce with 6+ clubs and 3 hearts....

I think this joke has gone over my head.

me too! I thought partner had at min, distribution 4xy5 not that 3xy6 is ruled out 100% but is stepping lightly if so.
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Posted 2010-June-08, 08:30

I like 2NT. Yeah it feels awkward to suppress 4-card support but how can we have slam unless partner has 6 clubs? If he does we can raise his 3♣ re-rebid and I don't feel worse than us raising to 3♣ right away and him bidding 4♣. If he bids 3 of a red suit or 3NT over 2NT then I think we can be fairly confident that 3NT is right.

Obviously I would never bid 3NT if that's what I have to do to show a minimal balanced hand.
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Posted 2010-June-08, 08:33

Are you really raising 3C?
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Posted 2010-June-08, 08:51

hanp, on Jun 8 2010, 12:10 PM, said:

Obviously 2S shows either a single suited gameforce or a gameforce with 6+ clubs and 3 hearts....

oh sorry, I assumed we were playing T-Walsh and my 1♥ was a misclick.

Anyway, agree with Phil.
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Posted 2010-June-08, 08:51

3♣ seems obvious. If I do not bid this, the last insignificant reason for not playing 2♠ artificial, is gone with the wind.
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Posted 2010-June-08, 09:30

billw55, on Jun 8 2010, 08:02 AM, said:

655321, on Jun 8 2010, 07:21 AM, said:

3♣, I feel the same way as gnasher. 

If we bid 2NT we have to go above 3NT to show club support, this way at least 3NT is still possible and now we have supported clubs.

Agree, partner still has 3♦ as a stopper ask right?

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Posted 2010-June-08, 10:05

3♣ for me, hopefully rebidding 3NT
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Posted 2010-June-08, 10:27

gnasher, on Jun 8 2010, 07:00 AM, said:

3♣.  That doesn't commit us to slam, or to clubs.  The thought of concealing four-card club support on this auction horrifies me.

Agreed

And consider AKxx x Ax AKxxxx surely nothing special about this hand on the auction. Do we really want to suggest to partner that our hand is so bad that we may be passing 3♣? xxx KQxx Jxx xxx would be a 2N call....and pass 3♣.

I agree that we can bid 2N intending to bid again....but...what are we bidding and why would partner understand it?

Surely we can't bid 2N then 4♣? Why waste an entire level of bidding to force beyond 3N on this hand?

Surely we can't bid 2N then 3N? Well, maybe we can...but do we have agreements as to the difference between this and an immediate 3N? (I would: the slow route shows doubt, the fast route shows both reds very well stopped and no fit and no slam interest). And how can we plan to NEVER show the club suit?
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Posted 2010-June-08, 12:33

I didn't know that 2S could be considered not game-forcing.
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Posted 2010-June-08, 12:37

hanp, on Jun 8 2010, 06:40 AM, said:

gordontd, on Jun 8 2010, 06:13 AM, said:

hanp, on Jun 8 2010, 12:10 PM, said:

Obviously 2S shows either a single suited gameforce or a gameforce with 6+ clubs and 3 hearts....

I think this joke has gone over my head.

It was a reaction to Hog's question.

Kind of funny to me. Last night, in the partnership bidding room, my partner and I had the auction:

1♣-P-1♠-P-
3♦-P-3♥-P-
4♣-P-4♦-P-
4♠-all pass

3♦ was showing 6+ clubs and 3 spades.

LOL

Not that this auction applies, but...
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