[dburn]

Phil, on Jun 3 2010, 10:32 AM, said:

kenrexford, on Jun 2 2010, 08:02 PM, said:

I mean, for me, Opener has shown 4351 pattern, or so.  Why would I bid 2NT opposite that hand?  Stiff opposite Jxx doesn't seem good for notrump.  3♦ would seem to stand out.

I'm not exactly sure why I'm bidding 2♣ anyway, whatever it shows.  But, whatever.

Me too. Plus partner should have a little extra.

I would raise to 2♥ directly with many non-descript 4342's and rebid 1N with 4333.

I hope 2♣ isn't GF. I mean, seriously...

I would raise to 2♥ with many (nay, almost all) nondescript 4=3=5=1s. But if I had a "descript" (i.e. extra values) 4=3=5=1 I would bid 3♥ over 2♣. 2♥ would be reserved for a nondescript 4=2=5=2 with an honour in hearts but not in clubs.

As to whether fourth suit should be forcing to game, I could seriously entertain the idea that it should and I could equally seriously entertain the idea that it should not.

On the hand as given, if playing fourth suit as not forcing to game I would bid 2♣. Otherwise I would bid 2NT at IMPs and 1NT at matchpoints.

[Siegmund]

If opener really does have a singleton club, we are taking ruffs in the short hand in a heart contract, and I am willing to seriously consider the 4-3 heart fit in preference to notrump or diamonds.

With my regular partner, 2H in this auction is specifically 11-12 and 3 hearts (we don't use Drury; instead, we open in 1st or 2nd seat with most hands that want to make a 3-card limit raise if partner has a major), and I would happily pass 2H, expecting my 110 to beat 90 or my 140 to beat 110 or 120.

With most other partners, I'd be in a bit of a bind, and my 3rd bid would probably be in diamonds. It'd be nice to bid 3C asking for a half-stopper, the problem is that is going to sound natural.

And to the people who think opener might have only 2 hearts: are you serious? Yikes. Not my style and not the way any of the books teach FSF either.

[MickyB]

Yeah opener has shown 4252 in my world. I've never seen 4SF taught in a book advanced enough to deal with the possibility that it is better to raise immediately on a 4351, so it is hardly surprising that their 4SF structures need to cater to it.

[655321]

dburn, on Jun 3 2010, 05:20 PM, said:

I would raise to 2♥ with many (nay, almost all) nondescript 4=3=5=1s. But if I had a "descript" (i.e. extra values) 4=3=5=1 I would bid 3♥ over 2♣. 2♥ would be reserved for a nondescript 4=2=5=2 with an honour in hearts but not in clubs.

I play this style too.

Siegmund, on Jun 3 2010, 06:57 PM, said:

And to the people who think opener might have only 2 hearts: are you serious? Yikes. Not my style and not the way any of the books teach FSF either.

Up to you, you could choose to reject anything not taught in the Alaskan clubs as clearly not serious, or you could take the opportunity afforded by the forums to learn a new approach. Even if you decide not to play this style it can't hurt to know about it.

[mike777]

Fluffy, on Jun 2 2010, 06:40 PM, said:

♠AKx
♥Q9xx
♦Qxx
♣Jxx


1♦-1♥
1♠-2♣
2♥-???

prefer 2nt good invite after 1s.


2nt now whatever 2c means.

Prefer 2nt invite over 1s even if 2c is some form of xyz, two way checkback.