[Simplicity]

(2♠)-3♥-(3♠)-4♥;
(4♠)-5♥-AP

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Result 5H-2

I've always enjoyed a bit of ATB, so please have at it!

Scoring is x-imps with 3 sets of teammates, which can in itself be pretty brutal

[Free]

4♠ is a stupid call, East should Dbl this imo.

[Simplicity]

Woops pretty sure i entered the vul wrong here, EW vul against not. Have adjusted OP

[gnasher]

I blame the player who bid 5♥ with more than half of his points in the enemy suit.

[gwnn]

fair enough, the pleasure is on both sides then

2♠: a little controversial with 87.5% of your strength outside spades but pass is not a solution, so it's OK I guess. I would definitely do it at favourable.
(I would not do it at all V, the original conditions)
3♥: perfect
3♠: ??? it's rarely right to raise a weak two on honour doubleton and this is surely not an exception!! you have aces outsideeee and cards everywhereeee. I would be OK with bidding 3S if 2♠ showed spades and clubs or something, otherwise it's perfectly useless.
4♥: fine
4♠: WTF. this is the most defensive weak two in the history of the world. WHY BID???
5♥: I don't want to misuse percentages but you have 58.3% of the hcp and 50% of the Tens in SPADES. don't bid 5 over 4!!! double 4♠! 4♠ is a retarded bid so double it!! oh no, don't bid over retarded bids unless you REALLY KNOW what you're doing!

updated for the new conditions

[jjbrr]

lol.

in addition to what gwnn said, i think if people never bid again after preempting, they really wouldn't come out too badly in the end.

[bluecalm]

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3♠: ??? it's rarely right to raise a weak two on honour doubleton and this is surely not an exception!! you have aces outsideeee and cards everywhereeee. I would be OK with bidding 3S if 2♠ showed spades and clubs or something, otherwise it's perfectly useless.

Why useless ? You may want to play in 3♠ and don't allow them to play in 3♥ which is what will often happen if you pass.

[gwnn]

3♠ useless on this hand since if we make 3♠ they will almost always go down in 3♥. I mean I'm not saying that the former statement is 100% true but that's what I meant by useless.

[aguahombre]

jjbrr, on May 28 2010, 08:18 AM, said:

lol.

in addition to what gwnn said, i think if people never bid again after preempting, they really wouldn't come out too badly in the end.

In addition to what they both said.......Wait, no additions

[mikeh]

gwnn, on May 28 2010, 09:09 AM, said:

fair enough, the pleasure is on both sides then

(nipped)
5♥: I don't want to misuse percentages but you have 58.3% of the hcp and 50% of the Tens in SPADES. don't bid 5 over 4!!! double 4♠! 4♠ is a retarded bid so double it!! oh no, don't bid over retarded bids unless you REALLY KNOW what you're doing!

I know I am being pedantic, but I can't help myself! Last time I looked at a deck, there was only one 10 of spades, so we seem to have 100% of the Tens in SPADES.

I agree with everything else said about the 4 and 5 level actions.

I don't mind the bump to 3♠. I hate the weak two opening, tho I confess I might commit it myself white v red...but it really is grotesque. Great playability in 2 side suits, a strong preference for some lead other than spades...ugh. Well, at least, if I play OGUST, I can accurately respond showing a bad suit and a good hand

[pooltuna]

Simplicity, on May 28 2010, 08:42 AM, said:

(2♠)-3♥-(3♠)-4♥;
(4♠)-5♥-AP

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Result 5H-2

I've always enjoyed a bit of ATB, so please have at it!

Scoring is x-imps with 3 sets of teammates, which can in itself be pretty brutal

100% West....after all he chose to sit down in this game

[655321]

I think gwnn was saying that of the (2) tens East holds, 50% of them are Spade tens (just as, of the 12HCP East holds, 58.3% are Spade HCPs)

[Jlall]

Did east know he had the AKT of spades?

[pooltuna]

Jlall, on May 28 2010, 11:52 AM, said:

Did east know he had the AKT of spades?

They may have been stuck in his caviar sandwich

[gwnn]

Jlall, on May 28 2010, 04:52 PM, said:

Did east know he had the AKT of spades?

This is almost like dburn's contorted example from the Laws forum: maybe his LHO alerted 2♠ as 2/3 top honours, therefore East concluded that his AK must be in clubs.

[mikeh]

655321, on May 28 2010, 11:51 AM, said:

I think gwnn was saying that of the (2) tens East holds, 50% of them are Spade tens (just as, of the 12HCP East holds, 58.3% are Spade HCPs)

Just goes to show that some people need smilies in order to understand feeble attempts at humour. Oh well ( )

[gwnn]

Fair enough Mikeh from now on I shall try to use proper parentheses and strive to respect precedence of operators

[jdonn]

3♠ is bad, I like north's bidding even though most probably wouldn't, and clearly east just doesn't know how to evaluate his hand on an auction like this.

[pooltuna]

mikeh, on May 28 2010, 12:10 PM, said:

655321, on May 28 2010, 11:51 AM, said:

I think gwnn was saying that of the (2) tens East holds, 50% of them are Spade tens (just as, of the 12HCP East holds, 58.3% are Spade HCPs)

Just goes to show that some people need smilies in order to understand feeble attempts at humour. Oh well ( )

at least on this side of the Atlantic we can not only Anglicize but Americanize and correctly spell "humor"

[aguahombre]

Hmm. Last I looked Canada was on the same side of the atlantic as New Orleans.